In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:0f3a7f49-ccb1-4991-8698-dd9954db2fbc">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Going to someone's house for a holiday as a child is not remotely the same to me as going to a bar or a movie premiere. But I would judge a parent taking a 6 year old to see these Batman movies no matter how big of a fan the child is whether it's a midnight movie, a 2:00 p.m. movie, or whenever. Some things are just not appropriate for kids. The level of violence in these movies is one of those things. Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
This is my issue.
If it were a midnight showing of Finding Nemo: 3D, then by all means, bring out the kids if you want to share a special occasion with them and all that jazz, but a 6 year old has no business seeing any of the Chris Nolan Batman movies. They're dark and scary.
I also don't think that kids should watch horrors movies though.
My mom didn't let us watch scary movies and all of that when we were kids, and I'm glad we didn't. I have more than one person I know who is terrified, like, full blown terrified of clowns because of the horror movies they were allowed to watch when they were little, and they're adults, still terrified of clowns.
I get it, clowns can be creepy, but what is a clown? A person dressed up in a costume with makeup. I just don't see the point in terrifying the everlovingshit out of your kid because YOU want to watch something that's scary, you know?
I judged the woman who was at a sentencing hearing today that I was at, and was getting all riled up because her (I assume) BF was there on a charge for aggravated robbery. She was acting like its no big deal and got all upset when the judge railed into him.
Um. Honey. He pistol whipped a group home aid and then harassed disabled adults in the home for all of their belongings. Fuuuck him.
Did I miss something in the news where the mother of the shooter calling up the news station saying she thought her son was involved was disproved? I'm unsure how some of you feel so certain that the parents of this guy did nothing wrong. Maybe I missed something, though.
This is why when we go to the movies, we go to a theatre that is for adults only at night because they serve alcohol. It's amazing...and the tickets are cheaper than Cinemark.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:fee569a6-cd01-4a08-9580-5c3d90f5dff2">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]Re: people texting or bad kids in movies: This is why when we go to the movies, we go to a theatre that is for adults only at night because they serve alcohol. It's amazing...and the tickets are cheaper than Cinemark. Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE] I wish we had one of those around here. Would probably start going to the movies again if there was.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:85eaabd4-da10-4e2f-86d9-34a27b6ec47f">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]Did I miss something in the news where the mother of the shooter calling up the news station saying she thought her son was involved was disproved? I'm unsure how some of you feel so certain that the parents of this guy did nothing wrong. Maybe I missed something, though. Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE] I would never say I'm certain that parents have nothing to do with the actions of their children. I'm just not ready to jump to any conclusions about poor parenting choices = the misdeeds of the perpetrator. TBH, I hadn't heard that story about the mother, though.
Not sure if this was addressed yet with the movie theater shooter, but I also don't like that they're trying to pin an insanity defense on him. That took waaaay to much premeditation for him to not be of sound mind. And IF he (or anyone) gets an insanity plea after something so heinious, I still believe they need to be behind bars or in a high security mental facility for life. If they are truly that mentally ill that they will shoot up a movie theater like that, there's no way to know if they'll relapse.
Every time there is some hideous tragedy like the theater shootings, Columbine, etc., the perpetrator's family always comes to mind. I cannot fathom having a child who did something so awful. The guilt would be overwhelming, even though in many cases there wouldn't have been anything more that could have been done. I mean, even Jeffrey Dahmer was once a little boy who his momma tucked in at night. It would be so horrible to know you raised such a monster.
That story about the dad at Weseleyan made me cry, Bay.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:85eaabd4-da10-4e2f-86d9-34a27b6ec47f">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]Did I miss something in the news where the mother of the shooter calling up the news station saying she thought her son was involved was disproved? I'm unsure how some of you feel so certain that the parents of this guy did nothing wrong. Maybe I missed something, though. Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE]
She is saying the quote was taken out of context. She claims she never said she thought her son was involved; the reporter asked her to verify that she was the shooters mother, she responded with yes that is him and they took that clip and claimed it was her saying that she knew that her son was the shooter.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:281b5678-0d47-4522-b0c0-1c4fe0cb90e4">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I would never say I'm certain that parents have nothing to do with the actions of their children. I'm just not ready to jump to any conclusions about poor parenting choices = the misdeeds of the perpetrator. TBH, I hadn't heard that story about the mother, though. Posted by baystateapple[/QUOTE] I'm not entirely willing to jump to conclusions either (despite the report about the mother). But I don't understand how several people ARE willing to jump to the conclusion that the paren't aren't at fault.
When I was a kid Jess, I was deathly afraid of pom-poms. My mom used to put pom-poms by the stairs so I wouldn't crawl up them or in front of things she didn't want me to disturb. I was so scared of them, I probably literally shitmyself numerous times upon my encounters.
But I'm not afraid of them today, lol.
And fwiw, there are lots of kids movies that are scary as all hell. Think about Snow White for example. The evil queen hires a fucking hitman to not only murder Snow White, but to bring back her bloody ass heart in a box. That's fucking twisted, man. And in Bambi, dude, his mom got SHOT. That was the worst thing ever. EVER.
I used to watch ET all the time as a kid and was never scared. But when I watch it today, it freaks me thefuckout. All that stuff about the government spying on them and then just taking over their house and shiiit? And then chasing the damn kids? Motherfuck that is frightening.
Lunch was chicken fingers and cheese fries. Healthy eating takes a backseat to free (company brought in food for a birthday).
Irritation--That I have to get a new homeowners insurance policy. I biffed and missed my payment due date, and when I called to take care of it, found out the policy was cancelled and they won't write a new one. Turns out they're in a tenuous financial position and are currently not ALLOWED to write any new policies. Guessing they're going to go out of business before too long, but I'm just irked that I have to get quotes and talk to insurance agents. Not a fan of talking to people.
Opinion--I'm sick of hearing about The Dark Knight Rises. I still haven't watched The Dark Knight. I don't care what the box office totals were compared to The Avengers. I don't care if those totals were impacted by the tragedy. The more a movie gets hyped, the less I want to see it. I avoided Avatar for ages out of pure contrariness.
News about the shooting, being actual news, does not send me into a frenzy of eye-rolling.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:85eaabd4-da10-4e2f-86d9-34a27b6ec47f">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]Did I miss something in the news where the mother of the shooter calling up the news station saying she thought her son was involved was disproved? I'm unsure how some of you feel so certain that the parents of this guy did nothing wrong. Maybe I missed something, though. Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE]
I did hear something about that being taken out of context, I think.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:2e01868d-fcc0-4781-8d77-c658e536df18">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]When I was a kid Jess, I was deathly afraid of pom-poms. My mom used to put pom-poms by the stairs so I wouldn't crawl up them or in front of things she didn't want me to disturb. I was so scared of them, I probably literally shitmyself numerous times upon my encounters. But I'm not afraid of them today, lol. Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]
<div>Envisioning sweet little AATB getting mobbed by pom-pom wielding cheerleaders and having a total meltdown</div>
I think there is something wrong in his brain but there is a difference between pleading insanity vs. being mentally ill. I will be surprised if a judge accepts the plea of not guilty by mental illness -- if that is even what they prepare to argue.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:76c2db06-6768-4380-b18d-7bc3a3b95dec">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]Every time there is some hideous tragedy like the theater shootings, Columbine, etc., the perpetrator's family always comes to mind. I cannot fathom having a child who did something so awful. The guilt would be overwhelming, even though in many cases there wouldn't have been anything more that could have been done. I mean, even Jeffrey Dahmer was once a little boy who his momma tucked in at night. It would be so horrible to know you raised such a monster. That story about the dad at Weseleyan made me cry, Bay. Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]
In 2004, an elderly couple in our church were brutally murdered by their grandson in their home. It was so difficult for the family, especially the mother. She had adopted him, put all of her love and affection into him, and in return, heu murdered her parents. The murderer's cousin is a good friend of H, and he's still not the same. That really shook him.
IMO, you can't blame the family for what an adult does, no matter what their home-life was like. Yo
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:3d01b829-8f80-4e2a-96cd-8f6853b73d70">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Envisioning sweet little AATB getting mobbed by pom-pom wielding cheerleaders and having a total meltdown Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]
There is photographic evidence of this.
Not within my grasp, mind you. But back home, yes. Photos of me trembling in fear over a damn pom-pom, lol. ETA - not mobbed by cheerleaders, but yes, me, bawling, sitting next to a pom-pom.
I think there is a difference between "mommy tucking him in at night" parents and the parents of many criminals who were abusive, neglectful and overall bad parents themselves. It seems like the criminals that make press with their parent stories are always the ones who are "normal" parents. In reality, that is not the majority of criminals. Most of them come from home lives that I feel very strongly are closely related to why they became the people they are.
I'm irritated with the sue happy nature of our society. Not saying this guy doesn't have extreme trauma, but come the fluck on? It's been a week and the lawsuits are already rolling in.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:68a408c8-b2f7-4834-8323-a0dd0f2338c2">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]I think there is something wrong in his brain but there is a difference between pleading insanity vs. being mentally ill. I will be surprised if a judge accepts the plea of not guilty by mental illness -- if that is even what they prepare to argue. Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
<div>Definitely there is something awry with his brain, like he's just not wired right. And that can't necessarily be fixed. I mean, great, be 'insane' and then let's lock his insane ass up so he doesn't do anything else to innocent people. </div>
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:e431d126-fa4b-4217-8af7-8bb64729238e">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : There is photographic evidence of this. Not within my grasp, mind you. But back home, yes. Photos of me trembling in fear over a damn pom-pom, lol. ETA - not mobbed by cheerleaders, but yes, me, bawling, sitting next to a pom-pom. Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]
A babysitter let me watch The Poltergiest when I was a kid. I don't remember this but my mom swears that I wouldn't get near the tv for a good week afterwards. And we had one of those old tvs where you had to change the channel by turning the knob on the tv so I must have just waited for someone else to turn it on and then just watched whatever channel it was set to. I also apparently was convinced there was a skeleton waiting under my bed to kill me. Scary movies are not for little kids.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:2e01868d-fcc0-4781-8d77-c658e536df18">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]When I was a kid Jess, I was deathly afraid of pom-poms. My mom used to put pom-poms by the stairs so I wouldn't crawl up them or in front of things she didn't want me to disturb. I was so scared of them, I probably literally shitmyself numerous times upon my encounters. But I'm not afraid of them today, lol. And fwiw, there are lots of kids movies that are scary as all hell. Think about Snow White for example. The evil queen hires a fucking hitman to not only murder Snow White, but to bring back her bloody ass heart in a box. That's fucking twisted, man. And in Bambi, dude, his mom got SHOT. That was the worst thing ever. EVER. I used to watch ET all the time as a kid and was never scared. But when I watch it today, it freaks me thefuckout. All that stuff about the government spying on them and then just taking over their house and shiiit? And then chasing the damn kids? Motherfuck that is frightening. Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]
I loved ET too, but the government spying on them didn't scare me, because I didn't understand it.
As far as Snow White and Bambi, I get that they're scary stories, (as many fairy tales are) but it's not blood and gore--if you're talking the Disney versions, it's colorful and happy and most kids don't comprehend what's happening. But remember in <em>The Dark Knight</em> when the Joker slams the guys face into a pencil? Kids get that, because it's not a cartoon, and they chose to make that part graphic.
I will never forget when I went to see one of the <em>Saw</em> movies in theaters, there were little kids in the theater. And they screamed---clearly terrified, and it was so inapporpriate to me.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:0c4c154b-7106-4dcd-823d-d87a932f117f">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I'm not entirely willing to jump to conclusions either (despite the report about the mother). But I don't understand how several people ARE willing to jump to the conclusion that the paren't aren't at fault. Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE]
This might be directed at me. All I was trying to say was it's too easy to look to other people to blame for someone's actions. Why does it have to be the result of their upbringing, their HS years, etc? The person could simply be a shitty person that wanted to kill people, regardless of the background.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:40a12c7c-b666-4203-9dbc-d5e30d9d0a83">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I loved ET too, but the government spying on them didn't scare me, because I didn't understand it. As far as Snow White and Bambi, I get that they're scary stories, (as many fairy tales are) but it's not blood and gore--if you're talking the Disney versions, it's colorful and happy and most kids don't comprehend what's happening. But remember in The Dark Knight when the Joker slams the guys face into a pencil? Kids get that, because it's not a cartoon, and they chose to make that part graphic. I will never forget when I went to see one of the Saw movies in theaters, there were little kids in the theater. And they screamed---clearly terrified, and it was so inapporpriate to me. Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]
<div>Scary movies for this chica include 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.' I know, I"m weird. The child snatcher guy in that freaks the hell outta me STILL! Can't even watch it. Truy scrumptious, my ass. Truly terrifying is more like it!</div>
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:68a408c8-b2f7-4834-8323-a0dd0f2338c2">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]I think there is something wrong in his brain but there is a difference between pleading insanity vs. being mentally ill. I will be surprised if a judge accepts the plea of not guilty by mental illness -- if that is even what they prepare to argue. Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
That is very true and ITA. I still do stand by the thought, though, that if mental illness or insanity causes someone to do something that heinous, they should not be given more lenient sentence times. Locations, yes (treatment vs punishment), but not times.
I wouldn't blame a family for what another adult does, but on another forum I'm on I read a post where the OP had a conversation with a coworker that went like this:
Co-worker says, "My youngest is ambidextrous."
And I said, "Wow. He must be crazy smart."
She said, "Oh, he is, but he tortures animals and like to start fires. I've been told that I'm one deviation away from having a serial killer."
And just sort of laughed it off. A bunch of other people chimed in relating stories where people they know have kids with warning signs that refuse to go to family therapy. Usually because of denial (there's nothing wrong with my kid...) or laughing it off. I'd say this sort of thing is neglectful, despite there being no outright abuse present.
Not jumping to conclusions by any stretch of the imagination. Just stating an opinion (unpopular that it may be) that if I child I had raised in a loving, nurturing home, had gone off the deep end so far away from what he had learned growing up. It would be extremely hard to rationalize in my head that I did or didn't do something that caused them to go to such an extreme. I feel for the parents of the shooter because I assume he was raised to realize this was not normal behavior. I could be wrong, I have been wrong before.
I didn't get the government stuff either Jess, but I do NOW, hence why it's kinda scary now, lol. A friend of mine though was literally terrified of ET. Just mentioning ET = freakout.
Also calix, I am pretty sure I saw Poltergeist as a little kid too. Is that the one with Carol Anne? I am pretty sure it was on TV at my home-day care. The kids ran around the house yelling "CAROL ANNE" and jumping out at each other trying to scare each other. Sigh. Childhood.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Going to someone's house for a holiday as a child is not remotely the same to me as going to a bar or a movie premiere. But I would judge a parent taking a 6 year old to see these Batman movies no matter how big of a fan the child is whether it's a midnight movie, a 2:00 p.m. movie, or whenever. Some things are just not appropriate for kids. The level of violence in these movies is one of those things.
Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
This is my issue.
If it were a midnight showing of Finding Nemo: 3D, then by all means, bring out the kids if you want to share a special occasion with them and all that jazz, but a 6 year old has no business seeing any of the Chris Nolan Batman movies. They're dark and scary.
I also don't think that kids should watch horrors movies though.
My mom didn't let us watch scary movies and all of that when we were kids, and I'm glad we didn't. I have more than one person I know who is terrified, like, full blown terrified of clowns because of the horror movies they were allowed to watch when they were little, and they're adults, still terrified of clowns.
I get it, clowns can be creepy, but what is a clown? A person dressed up in a costume with makeup. I just don't see the point in terrifying the everlovingshit out of your kid because YOU want to watch something that's scary, you know?
Um. Honey. He pistol whipped a group home aid and then harassed disabled adults in the home for all of their belongings. Fuuuck him.
This is why when we go to the movies, we go to a theatre that is for adults only at night because they serve alcohol. It's amazing...and the tickets are cheaper than Cinemark.
[QUOTE]Re: people texting or bad kids in movies: This is why when we go to the movies, we go to a theatre that is for adults only at night because they serve alcohol. It's amazing...and the tickets are cheaper than Cinemark.
Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]
I wish we had one of those around here. Would probably start going to the movies again if there was.
[QUOTE]Did I miss something in the news where the mother of the shooter calling up the news station saying she thought her son was involved was disproved? I'm unsure how some of you feel so certain that the parents of this guy did nothing wrong. Maybe I missed something, though.
Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE]
I would never say I'm certain that parents have nothing to do with the actions of their children. I'm just not ready to jump to any conclusions about poor parenting choices = the misdeeds of the perpetrator. TBH, I hadn't heard that story about the mother, though.
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[QUOTE]Did I miss something in the news where the mother of the shooter calling up the news station saying she thought her son was involved was disproved? I'm unsure how some of you feel so certain that the parents of this guy did nothing wrong. Maybe I missed something, though.
Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE]
She is saying the quote was taken out of context. She claims she never said she thought her son was involved; the reporter asked her to verify that she was the shooters mother, she responded with yes that is him and they took that clip and claimed it was her saying that she knew that her son was the shooter.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I would never say I'm certain that parents have nothing to do with the actions of their children. I'm just not ready to jump to any conclusions about poor parenting choices = the misdeeds of the perpetrator. TBH, I hadn't heard that story about the mother, though.
Posted by baystateapple[/QUOTE]
I'm not entirely willing to jump to conclusions either (despite the report about the mother). But I don't understand how several people ARE willing to jump to the conclusion that the paren't aren't at fault.
But I'm not afraid of them today, lol.
And fwiw, there are lots of kids movies that are scary as all hell. Think about Snow White for example. The evil queen hires a fucking hitman to not only murder Snow White, but to bring back her bloody ass heart in a box. That's fucking twisted, man. And in Bambi, dude, his mom got SHOT. That was the worst thing ever. EVER.
I used to watch ET all the time as a kid and was never scared. But when I watch it today, it freaks me thefuckout. All that stuff about the government spying on them and then just taking over their house and shiiit? And then chasing the damn kids? Motherfuck that is frightening.
Irritation--That I have to get a new homeowners insurance policy. I biffed and missed my payment due date, and when I called to take care of it, found out the policy was cancelled and they won't write a new one. Turns out they're in a tenuous financial position and are currently not ALLOWED to write any new policies. Guessing they're going to go out of business before too long, but I'm just irked that I have to get quotes and talk to insurance agents. Not a fan of talking to people.
Opinion--I'm sick of hearing about The Dark Knight Rises. I still haven't watched The Dark Knight. I don't care what the box office totals were compared to The Avengers. I don't care if those totals were impacted by the tragedy. The more a movie gets hyped, the less I want to see it. I avoided Avatar for ages out of pure contrariness.
News about the shooting, being actual news, does not send me into a frenzy of eye-rolling.
[QUOTE]Did I miss something in the news where the mother of the shooter calling up the news station saying she thought her son was involved was disproved? I'm unsure how some of you feel so certain that the parents of this guy did nothing wrong. Maybe I missed something, though.
Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE]
I did hear something about that being taken out of context, I think.
[QUOTE]When I was a kid Jess, I was deathly afraid of pom-poms. My mom used to put pom-poms by the stairs so I wouldn't crawl up them or in front of things she didn't want me to disturb. I was so scared of them, I probably literally shitmyself numerous times upon my encounters. But I'm not afraid of them today, lol.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]
<div>Envisioning sweet little AATB getting mobbed by pom-pom wielding cheerleaders and having a total meltdown</div>
[QUOTE]Every time there is some hideous tragedy like the theater shootings, Columbine, etc., the perpetrator's family always comes to mind. I cannot fathom having a child who did something so awful. The guilt would be overwhelming, even though in many cases there wouldn't have been anything more that could have been done. I mean, even Jeffrey Dahmer was once a little boy who his momma tucked in at night. It would be so horrible to know you raised such a monster. That story about the dad at Weseleyan made me cry, Bay.
Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]
In 2004, an elderly couple in our church were brutally murdered by their grandson in their home. It was so difficult for the family, especially the mother. She had adopted him, put all of her love and affection into him, and in return, heu murdered her parents. The murderer's cousin is a good friend of H, and he's still not the same. That really shook him.
IMO, you can't blame the family for what an adult does, no matter what their home-life was like.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Envisioning sweet little AATB getting mobbed by pom-pom wielding cheerleaders and having a total meltdown
Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]
There is photographic evidence of this.
Not within my grasp, mind you. But back home, yes. Photos of me trembling in fear over a damn pom-pom, lol. ETA - not mobbed by cheerleaders, but yes, me, bawling, sitting next to a pom-pom.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-lawsuit-shooting/
[QUOTE]I think there is something wrong in his brain but there is a difference between pleading insanity vs. being mentally ill. I will be surprised if a judge accepts the plea of not guilty by mental illness -- if that is even what they prepare to argue.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
<div>Definitely there is something awry with his brain, like he's just not wired right. And that can't necessarily be fixed. I mean, great, be 'insane' and then let's lock his insane ass up so he doesn't do anything else to innocent people. </div>
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : There is photographic evidence of this. Not within my grasp, mind you. But back home, yes. Photos of me trembling in fear over a damn pom-pom, lol. ETA - not mobbed by cheerleaders, but yes, me, bawling, sitting next to a pom-pom.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]
A babysitter let me watch The Poltergiest when I was a kid. I don't remember this but my mom swears that I wouldn't get near the tv for a good week afterwards. And we had one of those old tvs where you had to change the channel by turning the knob on the tv so I must have just waited for someone else to turn it on and then just watched whatever channel it was set to. I also apparently was convinced there was a skeleton waiting under my bed to kill me. Scary movies are not for little kids.
[QUOTE]When I was a kid Jess, I was deathly afraid of pom-poms. My mom used to put pom-poms by the stairs so I wouldn't crawl up them or in front of things she didn't want me to disturb. I was so scared of them, I probably literally shitmyself numerous times upon my encounters. But I'm not afraid of them today, lol. And fwiw, there are lots of kids movies that are scary as all hell. Think about Snow White for example. The evil queen hires a fucking hitman to not only murder Snow White, but to bring back her bloody ass heart in a box. That's fucking twisted, man. And in Bambi, dude, his mom got SHOT. That was the worst thing ever. EVER. I used to watch ET all the time as a kid and was never scared. But when I watch it today, it freaks me thefuckout. All that stuff about the government spying on them and then just taking over their house and shiiit? And then chasing the damn kids? Motherfuck that is frightening.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]
I loved ET too, but the government spying on them didn't scare me, because I didn't understand it.
As far as Snow White and Bambi, I get that they're scary stories, (as many fairy tales are) but it's not blood and gore--if you're talking the Disney versions, it's colorful and happy and most kids don't comprehend what's happening. But remember in <em>The Dark Knight</em> when the Joker slams the guys face into a pencil? Kids get that, because it's not a cartoon, and they chose to make that part graphic.
I will never forget when I went to see one of the <em>Saw</em> movies in theaters, there were little kids in the theater. And they screamed---clearly terrified, and it was so inapporpriate to me.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I'm not entirely willing to jump to conclusions either (despite the report about the mother). But I don't understand how several people ARE willing to jump to the conclusion that the paren't aren't at fault.
Posted by daffodil_jill[/QUOTE]
This might be directed at me. All I was trying to say was it's too easy to look to other people to blame for someone's actions. Why does it have to be the result of their upbringing, their HS years, etc? The person could simply be a shitty person that wanted to kill people, regardless of the background.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I loved ET too, but the government spying on them didn't scare me, because I didn't understand it. As far as Snow White and Bambi, I get that they're scary stories, (as many fairy tales are) but it's not blood and gore--if you're talking the Disney versions, it's colorful and happy and most kids don't comprehend what's happening. But remember in The Dark Knight when the Joker slams the guys face into a pencil? Kids get that, because it's not a cartoon, and they chose to make that part graphic. I will never forget when I went to see one of the Saw movies in theaters, there were little kids in the theater. And they screamed---clearly terrified, and it was so inapporpriate to me.
Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]
<div>Scary movies for this chica include 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.' I know, I"m weird. The child snatcher guy in that freaks the hell outta me STILL! Can't even watch it. Truy scrumptious, my ass. Truly terrifying is more like it!</div>
[QUOTE]I think there is something wrong in his brain but there is a difference between pleading insanity vs. being mentally ill. I will be surprised if a judge accepts the plea of not guilty by mental illness -- if that is even what they prepare to argue.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
That is very true and ITA. I still do stand by the thought, though, that if mental illness or insanity causes someone to do something that heinous, they should not be given more lenient sentence times. Locations, yes (treatment vs punishment), but not times.
Teachery Blog
Co-worker says, "My youngest is ambidextrous."
And I said, "Wow. He must be crazy smart."
She said, "Oh, he is, but he tortures animals and like to start fires. I've been told that I'm one deviation away from having a serial killer."
And just sort of laughed it off. A bunch of other people chimed in relating stories where people they know have kids with warning signs that refuse to go to family therapy. Usually because of denial (there's nothing wrong with my kid...) or laughing it off. I'd say this sort of thing is neglectful, despite there being no outright abuse present.
Not jumping to conclusions by any stretch of the imagination. Just stating an opinion (unpopular that it may be) that if I child I had raised in a loving, nurturing home, had gone off the deep end so far away from what he had learned growing up. It would be extremely hard to rationalize in my head that I did or didn't do something that caused them to go to such an extreme. I feel for the parents of the shooter because I assume he was raised to realize this was not normal behavior. I could be wrong, I have been wrong before.
Also calix, I am pretty sure I saw Poltergeist as a little kid too. Is that the one with Carol Anne? I am pretty sure it was on TV at my home-day care. The kids ran around the house yelling "CAROL ANNE" and jumping out at each other trying to scare each other. Sigh. Childhood.