WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not

calixtine · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : TX too, believe it or not. Pretty much everywhere. Even if you go online to buy. There is a check done.
Posted by Lizzieyounce[/QUOTE]

Except at gun shows, I believe. I have friends who are big in to guns and he's purchased a few this way and there was no background check. I think he's even purchased a gun that was not street legal this way as well.

aragx6 · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I disagree. If a person has no criminal history and can pass a federal background check, then if they want to have an AK, they should have one.<strong> I support the 2nd amendment.</strong> Besides, if a criminal wants a weapon, he will get one. Laws be damned. The black market is quite active in this area.
Posted by Lizzieyounce[/QUOTE]

I do too, you know if you mean a "well regulated militia"

musicalsunlight · July 2012

Yeah I don't think the check process is perfect but I don't know of many places where you just go in and say "Hey guys I want a gun today" and they hand it over. Also, this guy probably would've gotten the guns legally anyway because he wasn't a criminal and didn't have anything weird on his record. Maybe not the tons of rifle he ended up getting so quickly but still would've gotten enough to do damage.

aragx6 · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Except at gun shows, I believe. I have friends who are big in to guns and he's purchased a few this way and there was no background check. I think he's even purchased a gun that was not street legal this way as well.
Posted by calixtine[/QUOTE]

Even Megan McCain says the gun show loophole is bullshitt. There are people on both sides of the issue who want to have a rational conversation about gun control in this country but unfortunately the far ends of the spectrum have taken hold of the dialogue.

Lizzieyounce · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I do too, you know if you mean a "well regulated militia"
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

<div>Yes, I understand that. </div><div>
</div><div>And I'd be fully ready to serve if called on to do so, or even in the protection of my property after a natural disaster...Post Katrina New Orleans comes to mind. My uncles and their neighbors patroled their own neighborhood after Katrina. That constitutes a militia.</div><div>
</div><div>Disarm the criminal. Not the law abiding citizen.</div><div>
</div>

LDYGTR13 · July 2012

I just dont think shooting anyone is ever a good option. That's my unpop op.

LDYGTR13 · July 2012

Also - join facebooks for wife/husband. LAME.

Lizzieyounce · July 2012

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[QUOTE]Also - join facebooks for wife/husband. LAME.
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>That's totally lame. </div>

chelseamb11 · July 2012

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[QUOTE]I just dont think shooting anyone is ever a good option. That's my unpop op. =)
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]

But what about the selfe defense argument?

If someone is literally pointing a gun at you or in the vicinity shooting people and you have a clear shot, would you seriously n ot do it? You'd rather the shooter keep harming people than you harm the shooter?

musicalsunlight · July 2012

So you would not support someone shooting another person about to probably kill YOU ldy, even if all they did was shoot to "wound" instead of shoot to "kill"? So that you had the opportunity to disarm the person?

I guess I can't understand the thought that one would not support saving their own life in that instance. I guess its an "i don't get it".

aragx6 · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Yes, I understand that. And I'd be fully ready to serve if called on to do so, or even in the protection of my property after a natural disaster...Post Katrina New Orleans comes to mind. My uncles and their neighbors patroled their own neighborhood after Katrina. <strong>That constitutes a militia.</strong> Disarm the criminal. Not the law abiding citizen.
Posted by Lizzieyounce[/QUOTE]

Perhaps it's a militia in theory, but it's certainly not a <em>well regulated</em> one.

I would also think using Katrina would be a pretty terrible example given how many innocent people were killed during the turmoil by vigilantes with their own biases.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · July 2012

Ldy, I don't think shooting people is a good option either. Which is why I hope no one walks into our radio station and shoots me. Especially since no one in my building can protect me because none of us have guns. I hope the police can show up before we're all dead. With their own guns.

LDYGTR13 · July 2012

I mean, I get the self defense thing, I just don't like it. I don't like guns in general. I dont see how ANYONE (criminals/law abiding citizens) other than police officers should ever be given that option. Unfortnately, because of retarded ass criminals, the option has to be there. I just don't like it.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

Also, exactly what Chrissy said. The Constitution enforces the rights but did not create them.

And with the phrase " the people" in the 2nd amendment, the Courts have repeatedly upheld this to mean an individual right rather than one of a collective militia.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · July 2012

Lol. Ass criminals.

aragx6 · July 2012

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[QUOTE]Also, exactly what Chrissy said. The Constitution enforces the rights but did not create them. And with the phrase " the people" in the 2nd amendment, the Courts have repeatedly upheld this to mean an individual right rather than one of a collective militia.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]

Yes they have. I think that's an incorrect reading of the framer's intentions. I don't claim to be a constitutional scholar (though I have read plenty by those who are) nor do I believe in a ban on all guns. But the expiration of the assault rifle ban in 2004 had nothing to do with constitutionality.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

I don't think anyone likes the option in theory, LDY. I mean there are whackadoos like DJ's coworker that seem bloodthirsty but for the most part, people don't WANT to have to use their gun to hurt someone. But having the option is better than not, IMO.

musicalsunlight · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Yes they have. I think that's an incorrect reading of the framer's intentions. I don't claim to be a constitutional scholar (though I have read plenty by those who are) nor do I believe in a ban on all guns. But the expiration of the assault rifle ban in 2004 had nothing to do with constitutionality.
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

Why is it incorrect though? They use "the people' throughout the constitution for other amendments that are individual rights (1st, 4th, 9th and 10th). Why would that be different for one amendment?

Lizzieyounce · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Perhaps it's a militia in theory, but it's certainly not a well regulated one. I would also think using Katrina would be a pretty terrible example given how many innocent people were killed during the turmoil by vigilantes with their own biases.
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>As far as I know ( and my friend is a cop who worked that disaster) the people killed were killed in the commission of crimes against property or persons. If you're stupid enough to loot, in spite of the warnings that you will be shot for looting, that were posted on the property (well, spray painted on the house/property in question) then they deserved to get shot. </div><div>
</div><div>Also, there were quite a few incidents of people shooting at the people trying to HELP the city. Those stories you heard of helicopters and guardsmen being shot at by snipers were not BS.</div><div>
</div><div>And uncle's militia was quite regulated...watch tables, duties, chain of command, the whole nine yards. It was also dispersed when the situation was over and order restored.

</div>

willywally5 · July 2012

Another irritation: A close relative is going thru a divorce and the crazypants he was/is actually still married to is banging one of the guys in the band DD wanted for her wedding. Pretty sure she told him to decline playing the wedding just to be a beyotch. She's an idiot for many, many other reasons including being a horrible mother. I want to punch her in the face. Yes, I'm fuuuucking judge-y when it comes to that dipshit.

DD has wanted this band for months; this 'relationship' just began in the last month or so.

I realize this is not the biggest issue in the world and the mental health/welfare of my relative and his child are much more important but it still annoys me. Crazypants chick should take her crazy elsewhere. Gah.

aragx6 · July 2012

Studies of shootings in this country show that a gun in the home is far more likely to be used in an accidental shooting or a suicide than a home invasion/protection situation. FAR more.

I don't like guns in the home. I also don't think they should be illegal for law-abiding citizens however.

And hunting? I haven't done it, but venison is quite delicious, so I'm all for the protection of hunting rights.

aragx6 · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : As far as I know ( and my friend is a cop who worked that disaster) the people killed were killed in the commission of crimes against property or persons. If you're stupid enough to loot, in spite of the warnings that you will be shot for looting, that were posted on the property (well, spray painted on the house/property in question) then they deserved to get shot. Also, there were quite a few incidents of people shooting at the people trying to HELP the city. Those stories you heard of helicopters and guardsmen being shot at by snipers were not BS. And uncle's militia was quite regulated...watch tables, duties, chain of command, the whole nine yards. It was also dispersed when the situation was over and order restored.
Posted by Lizzieyounce[/QUOTE]

Oh really? What about the <em>cops</em> in prison right now for the shooting on the bridge? Let's not pretend all was magnanimous. please.

Lizzieyounce · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : In regards to the bolded: How would stricter gun laws stop teenagers getting their parents' guns? If the gov't regulates what a gun owner does in their own home, we'd be a nanny state. I certainly don't want that.
Posted by crfb87[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>That, and I would also side eye the parents for NOT making sure that the kids had a healthy respect for the weapons and what they are capable of. My 12 year old goes to the range, and knows that guns are to be used judiciously. </div><div>
</div><div>Stricter laws hamper law abiding citizens, not criminals.</div>

AllAboutTheBenjamin · July 2012

I mean, yeah, I don't like the idea of someone pointing a gun at me. And I don't like the idea of potential crossfire. But I do like the idea that if someone is pointing a gun at me, that someone else is able to take the douche down without people or additional people being harmed.

I'm trying to think of an example.

Like, okay. Let's use fists. If LDY is getting the shiiit kicked out of her in Macy's, and I walk by and see what's happening - I have some options to consider. I can either 1, fly in there and throw my own fist into the face of the person beating up on LDY and take her down myself, and wait for appropriate authorities to show up. Or, I could just be like - oh, even though I am physically able to take down this person, I can't, so I wil wait until the security guard gets here."

I still don't like that example. It's not quite the same.

A fire example isn't right either... lol, like, if you start a fire on your stove, should you try to quick put it out first or call the firefighters and wait til they get there? The fire might have been put out by you if you tried when it was still small, but if you wait for the proper people to show up and put it out the fire will get bigger and cause more damage first.

KWIM?

musicalsunlight · July 2012

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[QUOTE]Yea.... I don't think stricter gun laws will automatically teach people to hide their guns better. That, IMO, boils down to common sense. When our neice comes over, the guns go into the gun safe. No questions asked.
Posted by rachers1017[/QUOTE]

Yeah I don't think we can measure intelligence and common sense scales on permit applications so unfortunately stricter gun laws won't change that. And our future children will be very carefully trained on using hunting rifles and will only gain access when the guns are taken out by J or I. They will not have their own access. That is how J was taught and he strongly believes in that.

willywally5 · July 2012

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[QUOTE]Studies of shootings in this country show that a gun in the home is far more likely to be used in an accidental shooting or a suicide than a home invasion/protection situation. FAR more. I don't like guns in the home. I also don't think they should be illegal for law-abiding citizens however. <strong>And hunting? I haven't done it, but venison is quite delicious, so I'm all for the protection of hunting rights.</strong>
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]
Yum. One of my brothers is big into hunting AND knows how to cook it in amazing ways. He is coming to town on Friday and I can hardly wait!

Lizzieyounce · July 2012

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[QUOTE]<strong>Studies of shootings in this country show that a gun in the home is far more likely to be used in an accidental shooting or a suicide than a home invasion/protection situation. FAR more.</strong> I don't like guns in the home. I also don't think they should be illegal for law-abiding citizens however. And hunting? I haven't done it, but venison is quite delicious, so I'm all for the protection of hunting rights.
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

<div> Studies by whom?</div><div>
</div><div>Accidental shootings come from stupidity and just buying a weapon for self defense without ever learning how to use/handle one. Stupidity on the owners part. As for suicides, if someone wants to kill themselves, and there were no gun available, then they'd find other ways. </div><div>
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rsanna · July 2012

I have an irritation. I just had someone call me and was so involved in his conversation he was having wherever he was that he refused to answer me.

Along the lines of gun control, I don't really know where I stand. But I do agree with those expressing concerns about kids and guns (along the lines of disrespect towards them). When I was a senior in high school a bunch of classmates got together for a party when someone's parents were out of town. They got into the dad's guns and in their inebriated state almost shot each other, but instead just shot the wall. I'm not saying that a gun owners need to be regulated in their homes. My opinion is just more along the lines of they should think a little bit more about how available their weapons are and greater care should be taken.

Lizzieyounce · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Because if it weren't so easy for the parents to get the gun in the first place, it wouldn't be in the home for the teenagers to access. I don't want regulation of what the owner does with the gun in their home; I want stricter regulation before the gun gets in the home.
Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>It's plenty strict enough. If the parent's are irresponsible enough to give access to the kids, then they should be held liable. Don't punish the rest of us for the assininity of others.</div><div>
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Lizzieyounce · July 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Oh really? What about the cops in prison right now for the shooting on the bridge? Let's not pretend all was magnanimous. please.
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>I'm not. </div><div>
</div><div>But that was an isolated incident. Oh, and as a cop's FI and having lots of cops in my family, I can say that to a person, we were all happy that the cops got convicted. </div>

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