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Legally married, now having a "real" wedding? Stop here first! (AKA, the PPD FAQ thread)

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  • beam20062010beam20062010 member
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    Maggie0829 said:
    This thread is getting everyone no where. No matter what side of the argument you are on the other persons view is never going to change. Never. So instead of running around in circles and banging your heads against your keyboard, why don't we all just agree to disagree and move on.

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    I know this is off topic, but I like your picture. You look pretty in your dress. I hope my pictures turn out good. Congrats on getting married. 
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    @beam20062010 - Thanks!

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    beam20062010 said:
    ------------------------------------------- Relax. First, you're doing the same damn thing with mincing words and latching on to small things in people's posts and missing their actual point. Second, yes, it is actually really distracting and difficult to read your posts. And since you keep making the same mistake in pretty much every one of your posts, how would I know that you do know the difference? Edited to delete quote because the box was so messed up.
    I think you should take your own advice. Relax. You're the one who brought it up, not me. Little things? Really? No, saying lying is wrong all the time for 20 pages is not latching on to something small, it was presented as a fact over and over and over again. How is it not the actual point of that statement? No wait, don't answer that, let's just agree to disagree and move on. I am done trying to explain. Then, PLEASE, by all means STOP reading my posts. lol If you don't understand them certainly don't comment on them. Just give someone the benefit of the doubt and move on for once. 
    I'm perfectly relaxed.  You're the one who apparently can't take a joke.  I was mildly annoyed by your frequent use of the wrong "you're/your" and was reminded of a joke from a television show.  I'm not sure how that means I need to relax.  On the other hand, you saw the joke, got overly defensive, and started swearing left and right.  Don't get me wrong, I swear like a sailor, but it seems like you took this wayyyyyyy too personally.  
    Don't worry guys, I have the Wedding Police AND the Whambulance on speed dial!
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    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.

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    OMG I just can't take it anymore and I feel like I have to jump in:

    Beam, I will try to look on the most generous side of your argument as basically being: 1) you want to point out that the statement "lying is always 100% wrong every time."  2) people have unique circumstances which we should not generalize, 3) you think there are some situations in which it is okay to have a PPD and lie to one's guests, 4) other things such as the high divorce rate are more troublesome to the institution of marriage than PPDs are.

    1) I completely agree with you.  There are situations in which a white lie is okay, of course.  Santa and the Easter Bunny are examples of those situations.  If we've already left the house and my friend asks if her outfit makes her look fat, I will tell her she looks cute.  Those are white lies.
    2) I understand people have many reasons for getting married before the planned wedding: sickness, deployment, financial needs.  All of these are legitimate reasons to get married early.  None of them are a legitimate reason to lie to your loved ones and re-enact a fake wedding ceremony.  Just because you have a good reason for getting married early, doesn't mean you deserve to lie about your status, then fake your wedding later when it's more convenient for you.
    3) Lying to your closest friends and family about your legal marital status, so that they will come celebrate you at a fake wedding ceremony, is not a white lie.  It is despicable and hurtful to your loved ones.  It's a way of taking advantage of marital benefits while holding oneself out as not married.
    4) Sure, I'll give you this.  There are lots of other things to worry about with the state of marriage: cheating, divorce, abuse.  Saying PPDs are wrong is not in any way saying PPDs are the worst thing you can do to a marriage.  But it's also incredibly hurtful of you to imply that people who later get divorced just had a "PPD."  I assume that the posters on these boards who have been through divorce never intended to get divorced, and didn't just have the wedding for the sake of the party, as those having PPDs intend to do.

    If somebody has to get married early for financial reasons, they can absolutely keep their original plans for a big party.  Just nix the re-do ceremony, don't call it a wedding, and party all night with your friends and family to celebrate what you've been through, and the months/years of marriage you've already had.  I just don't see any legitimate reason to lie to one's friends and family in that case.  Just be honest and still enjoy your party.

    Personally, if a friend was honest about their situation, I might attend a PPD- sort of party.  It would depend on the individual circumstances.  But if a friend lied to me about their marital status, and I then traveled to see them "get married," then found out they were already married and the whole thing was just a show?  That would probably be relationship-ending for me.

    One last thing. I can't stand when people come on here and ask about where we get off judging other people's situations, if they want to have a PPD they can, etc.  Yep!  If they want to have a PPD, they sure can!  But if somebody comes on the etiquette board and starts talking about doing a PPD, there's no way they will get affirmation for breaking etiquette on the etiquette board.  They are absolutely free as an adult to make a choice to break etiquette.  But here on the E-board, we will not validate those choices.  We will point out that they are not doing right by their friends and family, but any poster is free to take that advice or leave it.  We aren't going to stalk them down and arrest them liked the wedding police.
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    beam20062010 said:
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    Let me guess- you have never been divorced? Comparing someone who wants to have a big party with a big white dress and gifts after they are already married and someone who is getting married and then divorces is just ridiculous. Do you really think that divorce is an easy decision? That it isn't full of sadness, disappointment and even thoughts of failure? Deciding to divorce is living with your decision- a decision that is very adult and very serious. It's life altering. If you have walked a day in someone's shoes who has been divorced, regardless of why, that it's not lying to your guests. In fact, in some cases, if you decide to stay with someone because of vows you said at one point, you are seriously lying to yourself. It's lying to yourself that things are going to be just okey dokey because you once told someone you'd stick with them until death. I know you recognize that some divorces occur for very serious reasons and that you are okay with that. I just think it's funny when first time brides on here talk down about divorce. I used to be one of those brides and I was an asshole for being so naive.
    Let me guess-you have never had a PPD? Please, re-read my post because you are not grasping the comparison I was trying to make. I know for a fact divorce is a very hard thing to go through and I am not debating this at all! 

    In fact, you are getting way off into left field trying to make this into something it simply is not. I made the comparison about those going through a divorce or having to get one as a way of showing how life does't always take the path you want it to and that doesn't mean it's your fault or you should have to live with it. It was a comparison of having to live with your decisions in life after it takes you down an unexpected path. That's it, nothing more. We encounter hardships at all times in our lives and I don't think we should ever just have to live with it.  

    Don't read into what I am trying to say. I said what I meant straight up and I am not alluding to anything. I am right out saying it. I am glad you realize there is a sense of compassion needed for the couple going through a divorce because I completely agree. What I do not agree with is why the couples who are going through a hard time while being engaged are not shown any of the same compassion.

    I am so so so so glad you made the point about how at first you were "an asshole for being so naive." Your are 100% right! I am so glad you said this! These women on here are being just like you once were about divorces and after you experienced that struggle in life, it opened up your eyes and you saw what an asshole you had been. I am sure if a lot of women on here judging other women for a PPD had to go through this they also would all be singing another tune as well.

    I am sorry for what you had to go through. I am sure it was really hard. It makes me sad just thinking about it. Life is full of so much hardships and suffering. I just don't see the point in telling someone that might be met with hardships how they should live their lives, what they should have to live with and what they should have to do without. You only live once. 

    you're right- I've never had a PPD. In fact, I had the exact opposite. I have not been in the position where  I had to get married earlier than planned, but even if  did, I'd just have the quick ceremony and call it a day.

    I admit that I was the bride on this board that thought my marriage was going to be fantastic and that divorce could never happen to me! Even though I had my eyes opened to different situations, I still do not think PPDs are acceptable. I'm all for doing what you got to do, and then having a great celebration after the fact, but certainly not re-doing it and DEFINITELY not lying about it. In fact, getting divorced made me just that much more against dumping a ton of money into a wedding!!!

    I respect your opinion. Plus, I really like your picture. It looks like you had a great day. I am thinking more and more against dumping a lot of money into a wedding. Plus, I love the beach and all that other stuff, this thread has made me realize, isn't really needed at all.
    Thank you. I had a lovely wedding in a wonderful location with only myself, my DH, a photographer, the weding coordinator, and the celebrant present. I could not have asked for anything more and, in my eyes, it was a perfect day.

     







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    JCBride2014 said:
    beam20062010 said:
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    I'm pretty sure if your FI/DH lied and cheated on you there would be judging going on.  But you are correct, you might be one of those submissive wives who let that kind of stuff slide.
    I find your comment off-putting and offensive. I consider myself a submissive wife-to-be, and yes I would give my husband a second chance if he cheated and lied to me. I can see past one mistake. Now if there was a pattern of cheating and lying, that would be different because that shows me that I'm not worth it to him, so I would choose divorce if it can't be worked out. I don't think that mercy is something to be ashamed of and I take pride in my personality. I am just as self-secure as any other woman by the way, and I don't think submissiveness is anything to be ashamed of. It's just how I work. 
      You know you can still judge your husband's actions without ending the relationship right?   

    Bean said "I personally don't think it's ok to lie anytime, but I also don't judge those who choose to do it."      I was just pointing out that with all the lies that she could face in a lifetime I doubt that would the case.
    Do you realize you are now debating what I would or wouldn't do in personal situations. How do you know this when you don't me? This is ridiculous. Don't you have better things to do in real life than argue about the personal made up decisions a complete stranger might make? Remember, only you control if something or someone hurts you or not. 

    Can we be sad? Of course, but we move on just like I am praying you will finally decide to do with this topic. I know, you will have to have the last word though. This isn't my first rodeo with you ladies. Just like the lady on here that thought she was my English teacher. I didn't miss a wink of sleep over that shit. Slept like a baby. Although, I have gotten a few chuckles of out these responses. Give it to God and move on. Life is too short.   
    *YOU DON'T KNOW ME!*
    *Don't you ladies have anything better to do in real life??  Gosh, I feel bad for your Hs and Fis!*

    I didn't see this coming a mile away.

    In seriousness: nope, we will never change each other's minds.  Oh well.
    NEVER said this. I just think it's pointless to debate made up situations. That. is. all. 
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  • beam20062010beam20062010 member
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    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.
    It goes both ways. 
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  • beam20062010beam20062010 member
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    beam20062010 said:
    ------------------------------------------- Relax. First, you're doing the same damn thing with mincing words and latching on to small things in people's posts and missing their actual point. Second, yes, it is actually really distracting and difficult to read your posts. And since you keep making the same mistake in pretty much every one of your posts, how would I know that you do know the difference? Edited to delete quote because the box was so messed up.
    I think you should take your own advice. Relax. You're the one who brought it up, not me. Little things? Really? No, saying lying is wrong all the time for 20 pages is not latching on to something small, it was presented as a fact over and over and over again. How is it not the actual point of that statement? No wait, don't answer that, let's just agree to disagree and move on. I am done trying to explain. Then, PLEASE, by all means STOP reading my posts. lol If you don't understand them certainly don't comment on them. Just give someone the benefit of the doubt and move on for once. 
    I'm perfectly relaxed.  You're the one who apparently can't take a joke.  I was mildly annoyed by your frequent use of the wrong "you're/your" and was reminded of a joke from a television show.  I'm not sure how that means I need to relax.  On the other hand, you saw the joke, got overly defensive, and started swearing left and right.  Don't get me wrong, I swear like a sailor, but it seems like you took this wayyyyyyy too personally.  
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    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.
    It goes both ways. 
    I realize that.  And my post wasn't directed solely to you.  But if you understand my point yet continue to post then you must just love the drama.
    I'm just responding where I've been called out. I think you can admit when someone does that to you, you just want to defend yourself. Yes, I've commented on 4 of the 24 pages, I'm the one that loves drama. You got me!  
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  • beam20062010beam20062010 member
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    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.
    It goes both ways. 
    I realize that.  And my post wasn't directed solely to you.  But if you understand my point yet continue to post then you must just love the drama.
    I'm just responding where I've been called out. I think you can admit when someone does that to you, you just want to defend yourself. Yes, I've commented on 4 of the 24 pages, I'm the one that loves drama. You got me!  
    Sometimes you want to defend yourself but other times you just need to let it go because it won't matter what you say there will be posters who will never agree with you.

    And you have posted a ton on the last 4 pages.  This thread has been going on for months which is why it is so long.  But for the past few days it has been you who has posted quite a bit.  Just come to terms that people are not going to agree with you and bow out.  I have done that a few times on threads because it just really is a waste of time.
    I posted just to state my opinion like everyone else did. I didn't expect you to agree with me. I just wanted to share my views, like you did. Then, it got personal....attacking my grammar and personal decisions I would make. If you don't want someone to response then don't post to begin with. 
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  • NYCBruinNYCBruin member
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    beam20062010 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    ------------------------------------------- Relax. First, you're doing the same damn thing with mincing words and latching on to small things in people's posts and missing their actual point. Second, yes, it is actually really distracting and difficult to read your posts. And since you keep making the same mistake in pretty much every one of your posts, how would I know that you do know the difference? Edited to delete quote because the box was so messed up.
    I think you should take your own advice. Relax. You're the one who brought it up, not me. Little things? Really? No, saying lying is wrong all the time for 20 pages is not latching on to something small, it was presented as a fact over and over and over again. How is it not the actual point of that statement? No wait, don't answer that, let's just agree to disagree and move on. I am done trying to explain. Then, PLEASE, by all means STOP reading my posts. lol If you don't understand them certainly don't comment on them. Just give someone the benefit of the doubt and move on for once. 
    I'm perfectly relaxed.  You're the one who apparently can't take a joke.  I was mildly annoyed by your frequent use of the wrong "you're/your" and was reminded of a joke from a television show.  I'm not sure how that means I need to relax.  On the other hand, you saw the joke, got overly defensive, and started swearing left and right.  Don't get me wrong, I swear like a sailor, but it seems like you took this wayyyyyyy too personally.  
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    I didn't say it was JUST a joke.  Your constant use of the wrong your/you're is actually annoying.  But posting a picture from a television show making a joke about it is just that, a joke.  Sometimes humor can be used to make a point.
    Don't worry guys, I have the Wedding Police AND the Whambulance on speed dial!
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  • beam20062010beam20062010 member
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    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.
    It goes both ways. 
    I realize that.  And my post wasn't directed solely to you.  But if you understand my point yet continue to post then you must just love the drama.
    I'm just responding where I've been called out. I think you can admit when someone does that to you, you just want to defend yourself. Yes, I've commented on 4 of the 24 pages, I'm the one that loves drama. You got me!  
    Sometimes you want to defend yourself but other times you just need to let it go because it won't matter what you say there will be posters who will never agree with you.

    And you have posted a ton on the last 4 pages.  This thread has been going on for months which is why it is so long.  But for the past few days it has been you who has posted quite a bit.  Just come to terms that people are not going to agree with you and bow out.  I have done that a few times on threads because it just really is a waste of time.
    I posted just to state my opinion like everyone else did. I didn't expect you to agree with me. I just wanted to share my views, like you did. Then, it got personal....attacking my grammar and personal decisions I would make. If you don't want someone to response then don't post to begin with. 
    FFS someone pointing out that you are using bad grammar is not a personal attack!
    OMG! Not this again! You are right, it was very nice of you and the way you did it was so sweet! Are you happy now? The thing is I have been commenting for one day to posts directed to me and most of you have been commenting on the same thing for months. Yet, I am the one who can't let it go.
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    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.
    It goes both ways. 
    I realize that.  And my post wasn't directed solely to you.  But if you understand my point yet continue to post then you must just love the drama.
    I'm just responding where I've been called out. I think you can admit when someone does that to you, you just want to defend yourself. Yes, I've commented on 4 of the 24 pages, I'm the one that loves drama. You got me!  
    Sometimes you want to defend yourself but other times you just need to let it go because it won't matter what you say there will be posters who will never agree with you.

    And you have posted a ton on the last 4 pages.  This thread has been going on for months which is why it is so long.  But for the past few days it has been you who has posted quite a bit.  Just come to terms that people are not going to agree with you and bow out.  I have done that a few times on threads because it just really is a waste of time.
    I posted just to state my opinion like everyone else did. I didn't expect you to agree with me. I just wanted to share my views, like you did. Then, it got personal....attacking my grammar and personal decisions I would make. If you don't want someone to response then don't post to begin with. 
    And these are the items you either choose to fight to the death about or let go.  I am seeing now that you are going to fight to the death.  So I am going to gracefully bow out and let you keep responding over and over again to make the same point you have made five hundred times before even though it won't make much difference.  Have fun.

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    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.
    It goes both ways. 
    I realize that.  And my post wasn't directed solely to you.  But if you understand my point yet continue to post then you must just love the drama.
    I'm just responding where I've been called out. I think you can admit when someone does that to you, you just want to defend yourself. Yes, I've commented on 4 of the 24 pages, I'm the one that loves drama. You got me!  
    Sometimes you want to defend yourself but other times you just need to let it go because it won't matter what you say there will be posters who will never agree with you.

    And you have posted a ton on the last 4 pages.  This thread has been going on for months which is why it is so long.  But for the past few days it has been you who has posted quite a bit.  Just come to terms that people are not going to agree with you and bow out.  I have done that a few times on threads because it just really is a waste of time.
    I posted just to state my opinion like everyone else did. I didn't expect you to agree with me. I just wanted to share my views, like you did. Then, it got personal....attacking my grammar and personal decisions I would make. If you don't want someone to response then don't post to begin with. 
    And these are the items you either choose to fight to the death about or let go.  I am seeing now that you are going to fight to the death.  So I am going to gracefully bow out and let you keep responding over and over again to make the same point you have made five hundred times before even though it won't make much difference.  Have fun.
    This is exactly what you all did for 20 pages before I even commented!!! WTF! It's ok for you guys to do something, but not me. Ok, I get it now.  
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    PrettyGirlLost said:
    beam20062010 said:
    OMG! Not this again! You are right, it was very nice of you and the way you did it was so sweet! Are you happy now? The thing is I have been commenting for one day to posts directed to me and most of you have been commenting on the same thing for months. Yet, I am the one who can't let it go.
    You seem to have a need to be right and get the last word in.
    Coming from someone that has spent months posting on this thread. Yeah, ok. Good point. 
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    NYCBruin said:
    beam20062010 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    beam20062010 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    acove2006 said:
    This thread just needs to be locked. All of us are only torturing ourselves.
    Seriously. Did no one read my post above? No matter how many ways you state your opinions those with opposing views will not agree. Save yourself some time and irritation and just stop posting to this thread. Around and around and around we go.
    It goes both ways. 
    I realize that.  And my post wasn't directed solely to you.  But if you understand my point yet continue to post then you must just love the drama.
    I'm just responding where I've been called out. I think you can admit when someone does that to you, you just want to defend yourself. Yes, I've commented on 4 of the 24 pages, I'm the one that loves drama. You got me!  
    Sometimes you want to defend yourself but other times you just need to let it go because it won't matter what you say there will be posters who will never agree with you.

    And you have posted a ton on the last 4 pages.  This thread has been going on for months which is why it is so long.  But for the past few days it has been you who has posted quite a bit.  Just come to terms that people are not going to agree with you and bow out.  I have done that a few times on threads because it just really is a waste of time.
    I posted just to state my opinion like everyone else did. I didn't expect you to agree with me. I just wanted to share my views, like you did. Then, it got personal....attacking my grammar and personal decisions I would make. If you don't want someone to response then don't post to begin with. 
    FFS someone pointing out that you are using bad grammar is not a personal attack!
    OMG! Not this again! You are right, it was very nice of you and the way you did it was so sweet! Are you happy now? The thing is I have been commenting for one day to posts directed to me and most of you have been commenting on the same thing for months. Yet, I am the one who can't let it go.
    Holy shit, you really can't let it go.  I'm not saying that I wasn't snarky, but the "everyone is being so mean to me" attitude from you is exhausting.  If you think someone pointing out that you're consistently making grammar mistakes is an "attack", I think the internet is not the place for you.  For the record, you are not the first person to have been called out for poor grammar or spelling.  This is how it usually goes down:

    Poster 1: Posts something with lots of spelling errors/poor grammar/not using paragraphs/etc.
    Poster 2: Dude, that's really freaking annoying.  Proofread your posts.
    Poster 1: My bad.  I'll try to do a better job proofreading.

    Or 

    Poster 1: I don't know the difference between your/you're aisle/isle or some other frequently mixed up thing
    Poster 2: Snarky comment correcting Poster 1
    Poster 1: Haha.  Oops!  

    Anyways, way to derail a thread and make it all about you.  You win the internet today.
    No, I think you just won! lol I didn't even read all that. What happened to just letting it go...You are the one that went off topic about my grammar. If you really cared about my English you could have just sent me a PM letting me know. I think choosing to do it publicly not only derails the topic, but makes some people feel like the butt of a cheap joke. If you can't see that and would not get upset, then you're a better person than me, but can we please just drop this now, please!
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    Moderator Knottie Warrior 10000 Comments 500 Love Its
    lyndausvi said:
    DAMN IT I WANT THE LAST WORD.


    BYE
    I don't think so flutterbride2b






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
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