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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : I think that's a huge stretch. 
    Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

    Not really.  People's irresponsibility with getting a loan is part of why the US and worldwide economy is where it is.  Just because a bank says you qualify for a $400k loan, doesn't mean you have to take that money.  It's your personal responsibility to make an informed decision about your finances.  When that doesn't happen across the board, it becomes a public problem.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Really?  Because I believe irresponsible spending is one of the reasons for our current economic situation.
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    <div>Not by a 16 year old on a credit card. </div><div>
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    [QUOTE]I don't mind paying taxes, not even a little. I enjoy all the things my taxes pay for and I'd be willing to pay even more in taxes for things like free healthcare and higher education.
    Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
    I actually agree as well. When I was making 32-35k a yearish (depending on my overtime), I never thought my tax burden was too high. I actually thought my tax burden was higher when I was making $6 an hour working part time in, like, 2002. I'm glad when my tax dollars are used for helping the less fortunate and helping society and building better roads and all that good stuff.
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    [QUOTE]I think being irresponsible with money IS a public danger.  Young adults go into thousands and thousands of dollars of debt.  Then take the "easy" way out and declare bankruptcy.  Then the places that are owed money take a hit and don't get their money.  Which affects the economy.  Which effects everyone.  (not to say this is the case with all young adults with credit cards or even al young adults that get in over their heads.)
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    I love you so much. Even despite the fact that you are so young and don't want kids. ;P
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    [QUOTE]I don't mind paying taxes, not even a little. I enjoy all the things my taxes pay for and I'd be willing to pay even more in taxes for things like<font color="#800080"> free healthcare</font> and higher education.
    Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

    There is no such thing.  Somewhere and somehow someone is paying for it.
  • Bec, raise that age to 70-72, and I'm right there with you. My folks just turned 65 this month. Neither of them need a driving test for the next several years, trust me.

    I think all athletes starting as pros should be required to have someone (money manager, CPA, tax attorney) manage their money.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Not by a 16 year old on a credit card. 
    Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

    Yes. Because those 16 year olds with credit cards grew up and continued to spend like idiots. That's exactly how we got into this mess. Irresponsibility that started with the fact that credit card companies market to teenagers.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : This is the only one I completely disagree with so far. I'll be 24 when I get married. I will also be a lawyer then. I'm mature enough to drink, drive, vote, have kids, get married, be someone's lawyer, own my own home... <strong>but I can't have a credit card?</strong> 
    Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

    hahahaha im not even going to touch this.
  • I hate that we have become a society that thinks we should file a lawsuit over everything.  I find that a lot of people that bitch about paying higher prices for things are also the ones that would file said lawsuit. 

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Not really.  <strong>People's irresponsibility with getting a loan is part of why the US and worldwide economy is where it is.  Just because a bank says you qualify for a $400k loan, doesn't mean you have to take that money.</strong>  It's your personal responsibility to make an informed decision about your finances.  When that doesn't happen across the board, it becomes a public problem.
    Posted by pirategal03[/QUOTE]

    Sort of tangentially piggybacking off of this, but I don't think the concept of "home ownership for everyone!" that we seem to support in the U.S. is necessarily a positive one. I don't think everyone can or should own a home.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : I love you so much. Even despite the fact that you are so young and don't want kids. ;P
    Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

    Would you still love me if I told you I got my first credit card when I was 20?  And my second and third when I was 21?   And I got a car loan all by myself at 22?  And my credit is better than most 30somethings?  I'm an anomaly!!!!

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  • My taxes would pay for it Aprov :)
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    [QUOTE]When I hear on the news "this politician supports tax cuts for the wealthy" like it's a bad thing, it makes me mad.  The wealthy should get tax breaks.  They pay a lot more taxes than the rest of us.  The top 10% of income earners pay 87% or more of all individual income tax.  While I agree that those without the wherewithal to pay should pay less, and thus wealthy people have to pay more, it's gotten out of hand.  I know a lot of couples in my line of work who are single-income families because it's cheaper to lose an income than to pay the taxes on it. I also think the estate tax is way too high.  Family businesses dissolve when the parents die because the children don't have enough liquid assets to pay the tax on inheriting ownership of the business.  How's that for helping small businesses?
    Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

    Heels.....I'd like to marry you. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Not by a 16 year old on a credit card. 
    Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

    Every little bit counts.

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    [QUOTE]I hate that we have become a society that thinks we should file a lawsuit over everything.  I find that a lot of people that bitch about paying higher prices for things are also the ones that would file said lawsuit. 
    Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

    <div>I agree with this. I got to LS in Canada, and I always hear from profs / other lawyers crazy stories about how litigious the USA is. </div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : hahahaha im not even going to touch this.
    Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Would you still love me if I told you I got my first credit card when I was 20?  And my second and third when I was 21?   And I got a car loan all by myself at 22?  And my credit is better than most 30somethings?  I'm an anomaly!!!!
    Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

    I would love you even more.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Yes. Because those 16 year olds with credit cards grew up and continued to spend like idiots. That's exactly how we got into this mess. Irresponsibility that started with the fact that credit card companies market to teenagers.
    Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

    I agree.

    I'm also pretty bitter about the credit card thing.  Because I wasn't one of the 16 year olds, or 18 year olds, or 21 year olds with a credit card, I'm having a hell of a time building credit now.  The credit system is punishing me for waiting until I had stead income/a way to pay for things to apply for credit.  Damnit, I shouldn't have lived within my means for all those years.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Sort of tangentially piggybacking off of this, but I don't think the concept of "home ownership for everyone!" that we seem to support in the U.S. is necessarily a positive one. I don't think everyone can or should own a home.
    Posted by K Byte[/QUOTE]

    I agree, and I feel the same way about college.  Not everyone can or should go to college.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT :
    Posted by MarriedInAFever[/QUOTE]

    Im not sure I know what dollar sign eyes and a green tongue means.
  • I think there is much more irresponsible spending in our generation and the generation after ours than there will be in the upcoming adult generation. People should better prepare their kids to manage money (and driving) rather than punishing them for something they haven't even had the chance to do yet. Manda is already reading some money management articles and things I've forwarded her as we prepare for her to be on her own. I hope she won't fall flat on her face and fail miserably, but if she does she'll learn from it and correct her behavior.

    Preparing her for real life is part of my obligation as a parent, but I'm not taking her savings to control it because she may screw it up. I learned at 16. I just can't see how restricting the inexperienced will help them learn at all. It's like starting a class without a textbook. How exactly can you learn real life if you aren't given a real life?
  • I mean this in the least patronizing way possible, but you'd mind if you were in the top tax bracket.

    And I guess I shouldn't feel bad about saying that, because it's equally patronizing to imply that wealthy people don't want to pay taxes or that they are oblivious to the benefits they enjoy because of the collection and distribution of tax dollars.  I'm pretty sure most wealthy people love highways and public libraries just as much as the rest of us.  They're just tired of shouldering the burden every.single.time taxes get raised. 
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    [QUOTE]On that note, <strong>I think Personal Financial Management, like hard core in depth budget making stuff, should be a required course for a high school diploma.</strong>  I got my license at 15, so I'm not even going to talk about that one. I was a great driver. 
    Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

    I think so too.

    I don't see the problem with 16-year-olds driving or 18-year-olds having credit cards, as long as they get the proper education about driving, debt/credit cards, and so on. I drove at 16 and had multiple credit cards in my name by the time I graduated from college. My parents (and I!) considered it an important part of growing up and learning how to do things for yourself. I'd hate to be 18 or 21 or whatever and still dependent on my parents to drive me around or take care of my bank stuff.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Sort of tangentially piggybacking off of this, but I don't think the concept of "home ownership for everyone!" that we seem to support in the U.S. is necessarily a positive one. I don't think everyone can or should own a home.
    Posted by K Byte[/QUOTE]

    But it's the American Dream!!!
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Im not sure I know what dollar sign eyes and a green tongue means.
    Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE]I think there is much more irresponsible spending in our generation and the generation after ours than there will be in the upcoming adult generation<strong>. People should better prepare their kids to manage money (and driving) rather than punishing them for something they haven't even had the chance to do yet.</strong> Manda is already reading some money management articles and things I've forwarded her as we prepare for her to be on her own. I hope she won't fall flat on her face and fail miserably, but if she does she'll learn from it and correct her behavior. Preparing her for real life is part of my obligation as a parent, but I'm not taking her savings to control it because she may screw it up. I learned at 16. I just can't see how restricting the inexperienced will help them learn at all. It's like starting a class without a textbook. How exactly can you learn real life if you aren't given a real life?
    Posted by BecW2be[/QUOTE]

    <div>I agree with this. Especially because the people who make responsible choices NEED credit cards to establish and build up their good credit, so they are able to buy a house, get a loan for school etc.  I think cutting the limit for credit cards at 25 is not a practical solution.</div>
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  • I think Cew doesn't give us 20-somethings enough credit. ;)

    FWIW, I'm 21 and am putting myself through college and working full time.My H is 22 and works full time while putting himself through college. My H and I are paying off our first house, and have each paid off our own cars. We have a credit card that is used for emergencies only.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Im not sure I know what dollar sign eyes and a green tongue means.
    Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

    (Plastic) money money money money, MONEY!  

    Don't you know you can just wish for it and you'll barf $20 bills.
  • I agree with you, Bec. I think it's totally the parent's responsibility to begin teaching children about financial responsibility and I think that because of the lessons learned with this recent economic clusterfuck, the next generations will be much more responsible.
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