I admit I am still reading through this, but I have to stop and say that @notdoingthisbythebook it seems like you don't really like your friends and/or wedding guests. So far I have seen you call them morons, admit to micromanaging their behavior, and allude to the fact that you don't think that grown adults can handle themselves at a wedding. So I wonder, why didn't you just elope?
I'm wondering the same. I'm also wondering why you didn't stand up for yourself more in regards to the bar at your wedding. I know you said that your FI and your "stupid inlaws" wanted it but it's your wedding as well. I just think that you should've fought harder for a better compromise because you seem pretty darn miserable about the whole thing.
Why? Because it's not all about me. Because I'm in the minority on this subject. Because I was tired of fighting. Because my FH agreed to put some limitations on the bar to achieve some kind of compromise. Because the open bar is a part of the venue package. Because I'd already chosen two hills to die on and I was tired of fighting. But mostly because I know am in the minority about this. Honestly, this hostility is pretty much on par with what everything thinks about booze and I think that sucks. But it's not enough to change my mind on it. So I stopped fighing and let my FH have something he wanted at the wedding even if it really bothers me. There are other hills to die on.
I honestly wasn't trying to be hostile towards you - you've gotten very combative and I can tell that this is something that's truly bothering you. I'm just worried that you're going to have a hard time enjoying yourself at your reception when you feel this strongly towards drinking. Yes, a lot of people like to drink at social gatherings and yes, a few many even get out of control but I promise that it won't ruin your enjoyment. I was SO busy my whole reception with my new husband, dancing and laughing, and running around making sure that I spent a little time with everyone. I know H and I got drunk but I can't tell if you if anyone else did. I didn't care at that point. I truly hope that by the time your wedding rolls around, you can enjoy yourself that day and let a little bit of this go. I know you said this wasn't a hill you wanted to die on but you're obviously very upset about it.
I thank you ladies for taking the time to address them.
@notdoingitbythebook, as a writing tutor whose job it is to make sure people are convincing (i.e. that their arguments hold water, and they have actual factual support for their arguments) - you are terrible at arguing. You go crazy pulling implications from what people post that do not actually logically follow from what they post, and then try to knock down those straw men, and usually can't even do that adequately. I would advise that you stop before you embarrass yourself, but I think it's too late for that.
Thanks. If you don't mind, I won't take your "advice" under advisement. I don't believe you have my best interests at heart.
There might be some personal bias against you, sure, in that I don't generally like people who don't bother to use logic. But if they were willing to learn, I would help. You may believe whatever you want, and that would make you right or wrong, depending on what the facts are.
I admit I am still reading through this, but I have to stop and say that @notdoingthisbythebook it seems like you don't really like your friends and/or wedding guests. So far I have seen you call them morons, admit to micromanaging their behavior, and allude to the fact that you don't think that grown adults can handle themselves at a wedding. So I wonder, why didn't you just elope?
I'm wondering the same. I'm also wondering why you didn't stand up for yourself more in regards to the bar at your wedding. I know you said that your FI and your "stupid inlaws" wanted it but it's your wedding as well. I just think that you should've fought harder for a better compromise because you seem pretty darn miserable about the whole thing.
Why? Because it's not all about me. Because I'm in the minority on this subject. Because I was tired of fighting. Because my FH agreed to put some limitations on the bar to achieve some kind of compromise. Because the open bar is a part of the venue package. Because I'd already chosen two hills to die on and I was tired of fighting. But mostly because I know am in the minority about this. Honestly, this hostility is pretty much on par with what everything thinks about booze and I think that sucks. But it's not enough to change my mind on it. So I stopped fighing and let my FH have something he wanted at the wedding even if it really bothers me. There are other hills to die on.
I honestly wasn't trying to be hostile towards you - you've gotten very combative and I can tell that this is something that's truly bothering you. I'm just worried that you're going to have a hard time enjoying yourself at your reception when you feel this strongly towards drinking. Yes, a lot of people like to drink at social gatherings and yes, a few many even get out of control but I promise that it won't ruin your enjoyment. I was SO busy my whole reception with my new husband, dancing and laughing, and running around making sure that I spent a little time with everyone. I know H and I got drunk but I can't tell if you if anyone else did. I didn't care at that point. I truly hope that by the time your wedding rolls around, you can enjoy yourself that day and let a little bit of this go. I know you said this wasn't a hill you wanted to die on but you're obviously very upset about it.
I'm not upset, but I am worried about a few people ruining the day by making spectacles of themselves because they don't know their limits. I'm not upset, but I am sick and tired of alcohol being a focus for social situations. I'm tired of non-drinkers or very limited drinkers being shoved aside and being ignored and regulated to just drinking whatever mixers are available. I found an idea for an Italian Soda bar on a site when I was doing research for a friend's baby shower so I am bringing that in so that non-drinkers can have something fun to drink instead of boring mixers. I have people around me who know how I feel and will do damage control up to and including kicking out people who get out of control so that I don't have to deal with it. So I am relatively fine with things. What I am not fine with, and tired of, is the expectation that alcohol is provided free and clear when having a party and that it's either a free for all or nothing and that a compromise is not possible. It's just maddening. But I'm in the minority, and like anything else, the minority gets overruled. It's the black and white thinking that is pissing me off.
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
I have never seen anyone on these boards suggest that alcohol is a requirement for good hosting. They have only stated if you are going to have alcohol host it properly. They have stated many times that dry weddings can be just as fun as open bars.
Everywhere you go, alcohol is considered an "essential" for a social gathering. It's not just here. And I don't think a dry wedding should be the only other option, I just don't believe that the hosts should have to be on the hook for the stupidity of others, which is what an open bar does. Cash bar puts the onus on the drinker and they will think twice about drinking. At least those in my circle do.
So in your area the bars are never full of drunks?
I had a limited bar at my wedding- beer, wine, and a signature champagne cocktail. People drank all night, in fact we drank the venue out of our contracted beverage choices so they had to add alternatives. We drank not because we had to in order to have a good time, but because we enjoy drinking- crazy concept, I know. Unless you're drinking the cheap shit, beer, wine, and cocktails actually taste great!
People got tipsy, some even got drunk, and guess what? No one needed to be cut off, was cut off, and there were no druken brawls or other acts of "stupidity."
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
I thank you ladies for taking the time to address them.
@notdoingitbythebook, as a writing tutor whose job it is to make sure people are convincing (i.e. that their arguments hold water, and they have actual factual support for their arguments) - you are terrible at arguing. You go crazy pulling implications from what people post that do not actually logically follow from what they post, and then try to knock down those straw men, and usually can't even do that adequately. I would advise that you stop before you embarrass yourself, but I think it's too late for that.
Thanks. If you don't mind, I won't take your "advice" under advisement. I don't believe you have my best interests at heart.
There might be some personal bias against you, sure, in that I don't generally like people who don't bother to use logic. But if they were willing to learn, I would help. You may believe whatever you want, and that would make you right or wrong, depending on what the facts are.
You amuse me when you say I lack logic. Thanks for the laugh.
I don't consider myself a speshul snowflakE, far from it. If you knew anything about me, you'd know that. But you don't. I'm a girl who is confounded by how the wedding industry expects weddings to be shoved into a box that doesn't fit everyone. Are there basic things that should happen at any event to make sure guests are comfortable and taken care of? Absolutely. Do they need to be exactly the same across the board? No. But the wedding industry and this site seem to think that if a wedding is not done in the exact same cookie cutter manner, then it's being done wrong. That's the problem I've got with this site and the wedding industry for the most part. I don't plan on being a Stepford Wife so I'm sure as hell not going to be a Stepford Bride which seems to be the only choice on this board. And yes, I'm still trying to figure out why I come here, though I will say it's a good way to pass time.
It's funny how the "brides" here seem to have a problem with every single tiny issue that doesn't follow their exact template for a wedding, yet none of the professionals in the industry that I know consider any of this nonsense a big deal. Gee, I wonder who I'm going to listen to for "proper etiquette" advice. Hmmm...
Um...no. No girl.
I didn't have a cookie cuter traditional wedding. But I did host the every loving fuck out of guests. Cause that's just called good manners. And I might not be a classy bitch, but I'm a well mannered bitch that's for damn sure. No one on here had a problem with my wedding, even though it wasn't traditonal. Being non-traditional doesn't mean being rude.
And "professionals" in the WEDDING INDUSTRY (which you just slammed in the first paragraph do you like this people or not?) are going to tell you whatever you want to hear to get your money. They're running businesses, they want your money. Money, money, money. I tell people their tribal tramp stamp is a great idea all the time because they are going to pay me money to tattoo it on their body. MONEY influences the vast majority of business decisions.
@notdoingitbythebook, Yeah, no. You're confusing people promoting good manners with being "cookie cutter". Not the same. Do we wish all hosts followed etiquette? Sure. Do we wish all weddings looked the same? Absolutely not. See how that's not the same?
If you actually read any other threads at all, you would see the regulars promoting uneven wedding parties, dry weddings, DIY weddings (which are considerably ANTI-wedding industry if you follow the logic...), original themes, traditional and non-traditional ceremonies. This is the opposite of cookie cutter. What you will see consistently applied is how to implement every bride's unique idea, vision, special day dream wedding ACCORDING TO PROPER ETIQUETTE.
Ironically, most posters will actually be quick to point out that the wedding industry, vendors, etc. are actually guilty of the most egregious etiquette breeches (ostensibly since they profit off of ALL of this) so no, lumping our etiquette advice into the goals of the great big wedding industrial complex is incorrect. Again, this board is a place that dispenses solid etiquette advice so brides are NOT influenced by the industry to improperly host their guests.
I have friends in the wedding industry. They aren't taking my money, they aren't even doing anything for the wedding other than coming as a guest. I trust their opinion implicitly. But thanks. I know how retail works. However, some people have ethics and won't lie to make a buck.
Yes, because your small group of friends is emblematic or a statistically significant sample size of the entire industry. Again, you've completely missed, or more likely ignored my point. Your response is far askew of my comment.
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
Oh I don't think that my sweeping generalizations are that off base. Maybe unfair to a select few but overall I've got it pegged right. Your shining example of telling me to take the stick out of my ass is a prime example. But thanks. I'll not take it under advisement. As I said elsewhere, I don't think you have my best interests at heart.
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
Oh I don't think that my sweeping generalizations are that off base. Maybe unfair to a select few but overall I've got it pegged right. Your shining example of telling me to take the stick out of my ass is a prime example. But thanks. I'll not take it under advisement. As I said elsewhere, I don't think you have my best interests at heart.
You have real issues with alcohol. You should see a therapist.
--if you don't like someone, or think they are a moron, or think they can't control themselves while drinking and that CLEARLY bothers you, then why are you friends with them?
--if you think alcohol is so detestable, then why didn't you express your strong opinions on it to your FI? I would like to think that the person I'm marrying would be willing to compromise with me on an issue that truly bothers me, such as this for you. If not, then that's not really a good sign.
--alcohol is not a requirement at a wedding. Period.
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
Oh I don't think that my sweeping generalizations are that off base. Maybe unfair to a select few but overall I've got it pegged right. Your shining example of telling me to take the stick out of my ass is a prime example. But thanks. I'll not take it under advisement. As I said elsewhere, I don't think you have my best interests at heart.
You have real issues with alcohol. You should see a therapist.
Who says I'm not? It's not exactly a topic one discusses in polite conversation. Granted this is not exactly a polite conversation. However, I'll use the statement that comes in handy whenever someone makes a rude comment, "why do you want to know?"
You have real issues with alcohol. You should see a therapist.
Who says I'm not? It's not exactly a topic one discusses in polite conversation. Granted this is not exactly a polite conversation. However, I'll use the statement that comes in handy whenever someone makes a rude comment, "why do you want to know?"
I as a hostess try and find out what my friends drink and keep it on hand. The same goes for when we go to other people's houses. FI is vegan, we often get asked for what he can and cannot have, that is being a proper host.
You are micromanaging. If YOU have issues with alcohol, maybe you should discuss this with someone. Your deep dislike for people who drink and drink to excess scream "child of alcoholic". What if your FI gets drunk on your wedding night? How are you going to manage that? Or is he one of the people you will be "watching like a hawk?"
ETA: stupid boxes
I'm a vegetarian, I never expect a host to cater just to me. I always offer to bring something to contribute because most people in our circles are not vegetarian. I don't think it's fair to make someone who is not vegetarian cook something just for me when the remainder of the group is not. I think it would be rude to show up at a person's house and demand they feed me something special that's off menu.
He knows to not get stupid drunk at our wedding, We all watch out for each other. Not sure how watching my guests and making sure they don't drink and drive is micromanaging, but alrighty. You guys sure like to live in boxes that no one else can even remotely change.
Welp, that explains everything.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
Oh I don't think that my sweeping generalizations are that off base. Maybe unfair to a select few but overall I've got it pegged right. Your shining example of telling me to take the stick out of my ass is a prime example. But thanks. I'll not take it under advisement. As I said elsewhere, I don't think you have my best interests at heart.
You have real issues with alcohol. You should see a therapist.
You are coming off as pretty fanatical about this. I was just thinking the same thing as Ashley just posted, and this is coming from the child of an alcoholic. You have to learn to deal with the fact that people can and will drink, some to excess.
Alcohol consumption's been part of the of celebration of life in almost every culture since ancient times. You're not going magically change the culture by saying you believe it shouldn't be that way.
We've thought about several ways to limit consumption, not because of the money but because of potential problem drinkers of which there are a couple on each side of the family. A couple options we came up with were.
Just beer / wine. No liquor of any type.
Drink tickets. We were thinking seven per guest because it's a seven hour reception.
Having just a few signature mixed drinks but the majority beer / wine.
Some general rules for the bartender like no shots, keep the drinks standard (not too strong), no doubles, mixed drinks only (no straight ups).
Some combination of the above ideas.
We haven't truly decided on anything yet, but those are the options we're considering right now. All have their pros and cons of course so they merit more discussion before we decide for certain.
Why on earth is your reception 7 hours?!! What are you doing for that long?? If people are drinking, they will probably get tired and leave or get super wasted. Even if they aren't drinking, I can't imagine hanging around for 7 hours. I'd get bored.
Lol, I always have to laugh at these comments- no offense meant 'peep.
Out of 30+ weddings I have been to, across the country, no reception has ever been less than 5 hours. Most are 6-7 hours long. By the time you have cocktail hour, dinner, spotlight shit, and then 1.5-2 hours at least of dancing. . .
Mine was 6 hours.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
Oh I don't think that my sweeping generalizations are that off base. Maybe unfair to a select few but overall I've got it pegged right. Your shining example of telling me to take the stick out of my ass is a prime example. But thanks. I'll not take it under advisement. As I said elsewhere, I don't think you have my best interests at heart.
You have real issues with alcohol. You should see a therapist.
You are coming off as pretty fanatical about this. I was just thinking the same thing as Ashley just posted, and this is coming from the child of an alcoholic. You have to learn to deal with the fact that people can and will drink, some to excess.
Alcohol consumption's been part of the of celebration of life in almost every culture since ancient times. You're not going magically change the culture by saying you believe it shouldn't be that way.
Never said I expected everyone to change, That does not stop me from having the opinion that society is overly obsessed with alcohol. Can people drink responsibly? Yes. Do most people? The jury's out on that one. I can understand drinking in moderation to enjoy the drink. I will never understand drinking to get drunk or having to be drunk to have a good time. I know I won't change it, and it would be nice if people stopped trying to change me about this.
I find it so odd that people keep referring to the reception as a thank you for your guests for attending their ceremony. I've always looked at it as the couple throwing a party and inviting people to join them. FH and I are planning a party based on our likes, tastes, and personalities. It's a celebration of us! I don't attend weddings expecting to be catered to. I attend them with the perspective that it's about the couple so whatever they decided on is awesome and I'm happy just to be there.
well you would be wrong.
Receptions are to thank your guest for witnessing your union.
I also always thought that personal opinions couldn't be "wrong" because an opinion is a personal view or attitude.
You seem to equate getting drunk or buzzed with alcoholism, which is nowhere near the same thing. You a coming off as very judgmental of anyone who drinks, why is that?
We've thought about several ways to limit consumption, not because of the money but because of potential problem drinkers of which there are a couple on each side of the family. A couple options we came up with were.
Just beer / wine. No liquor of any type.
Drink tickets. We were thinking seven per guest because it's a seven hour reception.
Having just a few signature mixed drinks but the majority beer / wine.
Some general rules for the bartender like no shots, keep the drinks standard (not too strong), no doubles, mixed drinks only (no straight ups).
Some combination of the above ideas.
We haven't truly decided on anything yet, but those are the options we're considering right now. All have their pros and cons of course so they merit more discussion before we decide for certain.
Why on earth is your reception 7 hours?!! What are you doing for that long?? If people are drinking, they will probably get tired and leave or get super wasted. Even if they aren't drinking, I can't imagine hanging around for 7 hours. I'd get bored.
Lol, I always have to laugh at these comments- no offense meant 'peep.
Out of 30+ weddings I have been to, across the country, no reception has ever been less than 5 hours. Most are 6-7 hours long. By the time you have cocktail hour, dinner, spotlight shit, and then 1.5-2 hours at least of dancing. . .
Mine was 6 hours.
Ha no offense taken. I was just super surprised that a reception could last that long. Between the ceremony, cocktail hour and reception, ours will be 4.5 hours. I thought that was kind of standard since most weddings I have been to were like that. Plus most of the venues I spoke too don't really let you go more than 5 hours.
I can't imagine being a reception that long, but if people can, more power to them!
We've thought about several ways to limit consumption, not because of the money but because of potential problem drinkers of which there are a couple on each side of the family. A couple options we came up with were.
Just beer / wine. No liquor of any type.
Drink tickets. We were thinking seven per guest because it's a seven hour reception.
Having just a few signature mixed drinks but the majority beer / wine.
Some general rules for the bartender like no shots, keep the drinks standard (not too strong), no doubles, mixed drinks only (no straight ups).
Some combination of the above ideas.
We haven't truly decided on anything yet, but those are the options we're considering right now. All have their pros and cons of course so they merit more discussion before we decide for certain.
Why on earth is your reception 7 hours?!! What are you doing for that long?? If people are drinking, they will probably get tired and leave or get super wasted. Even if they aren't drinking, I can't imagine hanging around for 7 hours. I'd get bored.
Lol, I always have to laugh at these comments- no offense meant 'peep.
Out of 30+ weddings I have been to, across the country, no reception has ever been less than 5 hours. Most are 6-7 hours long. By the time you have cocktail hour, dinner, spotlight shit, and then 1.5-2 hours at least of dancing. . .
Mine was 6 hours.
Ha no offense taken. I was just super surprised that a reception could last that long. Between the ceremony, cocktail hour and reception, ours will be 4.5 hours. I thought that was kind of standard since most weddings I have been to were like that. Plus most of the venues I spoke too don't really let you go more than 5 hours.
I can't imagine being a reception that long, but if people can, more power to them!
Our reception was, uhhhhhh...approximately 10 hours, because that's how long people stayed.
Oh I get the point and the "message" of this board. Trust me. I get it. Fully and completely. I just think the delivery is horse manure and that it's not quite the message that it should be promoting. If it was all about helping people navigate etiquette posters wouldn't be assholes in their delivery. They'd actually use the etiquette they are so fond of to communicate their opinion. To be honest, I agree with many if not most of the suggestions mentioned on this board, I just have a problem with the assholian "you will do it my way or be forever banned the the third circle of etiquette hell" delivery. One of the biggest lesson I have learned here is that it's a competition here. No one's really interested in actually helping others, they just want to post as much mean girl bullshit as they can so that they can look all powerful and special. When in reality, many of the women here are just mean girl assholes who come across as snobs who live to put others down, It's entertaining for sure, but it doesn't exactly help to accomplish anything.
As for my comment being "uncalled for"? Meh. Call it like I see it. No one else seems to have a problem with being rude towards posters on an etiquette board, I guess I'm just doing my part to fit in even though it feels really dirty.
I disagree with this wholeheartedly. There is no logic behind this argument. Why would we take time to read these questions and respond with good advice? There is no competition and to assert that none of us actually care about dispensing good advice is unfounded and unsupported.
I live in a very busy world. I work, I travel, I socialize. I run into situations all of the time where people behaving poorly, selfishly, rudely rub me the wrong way, bother me, or make me feel uncomfortable. However, confronting them by trying to correct their behavior (unless it's really egregious) is not always practical. This is a place where people come for advice from people who know better and it can actually help those who are genuinely interested in learning how to host properly and throw a reception that IS indeed meant to be a thank you to the guests. No one likes to be criticized or told they are wrong so your reaction is not an unusual one. However, calling us mean girls or making false assumptions that we don't care about everyone having the best wedding possible is just wrong and smacks of a defense mechanism.
I've actually met a few posters IRL and they are delightful, not the faceless vaporous monsters you believe us to be. We are just offended by poor behavior and this is a place where we can try one person at a time to correct it.
Hell, I'm powerful and special in real life - I don't need to come here to prove it. I live it every day!
Amen.
I'm such a fucking boss I can be the baddest bitch IRL AND on these forums too. Multitasking FTW!
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
Oh I don't think that my sweeping generalizations are that off base. Maybe unfair to a select few but overall I've got it pegged right. Your shining example of telling me to take the stick out of my ass is a prime example. But thanks. I'll not take it under advisement. As I said elsewhere, I don't think you have my best interests at heart.
You have real issues with alcohol. You should see a therapist.
You are coming off as pretty fanatical about this. I was just thinking the same thing as Ashley just posted, and this is coming from the child of an alcoholic. You have to learn to deal with the fact that people can and will drink, some to excess.
Alcohol consumption's been part of the of celebration of life in almost every culture since ancient times. You're not going magically change the culture by saying you believe it shouldn't be that way.
Never said I expected everyone to change, That does not stop me from having the opinion that society is overly obsessed with alcohol. Can people drink responsibly? Yes. Do most people? The jury's out on that one. I can understand drinking in moderation to enjoy the drink. I will never understand drinking to get drunk or having to be drunk to have a good time. I know I won't change it, and it would be nice if people stopped trying to change me about this.
This is where I think your world view on adults drinking must be skewed. I get the sense that you must have a number of substance abusers among people you know, because that vast majority of people outgrow the "drink to get drunk" mentality shortly after their mid-20's and settle into enjoying the alcoholic beverage of their choice in moderation. For you to believe that it's a possibility that, generally, most people drink to get drunk says something about those who surround you and how you've been affected by alcohol abuse.
I've seen the "first two tickets are on us and then you're on your own" at a lot of organized parties so I'm not really sure why a wedding suddenly makes it wrong to do but apparently it is. I think offering a certain amount of free booze and then letting people buy their own is perfectly reasonable but then I think that there is entirely too much emphasis on alcohol at social events and I desperately wish people would stop equating alcohol service with good hosting. Honestly, if you believe that you need alcohol to have a good time you're doing something wrong. The event and the people should be the reason why you're having a good time, not how drunk you can get. Being drunk or even buzzed isn't attractive and it drives me crazy how society expects alcohol for a good time.
So honestly, I think a few drink tickets per person and then everyone is on their own is just fine. Unfortunately, societal expectations differ so you have to offer free booze to everyone lest you get the side eye for not allowing everyone to get plastered on your dime and make idiots of themselves.
Would you do this with anything else offered?
How about the first three items of appetizers are free but if you want another shrimp cocktail shooter then that's going to be $2? Pig in a blanket? After your first two, that's going to cost you a buck fifty.
Do you like coffee? Great - you'll get a cup on the house. After that, you're going to need to pay $4. They use Starbucks donchaknow.
Oh, and cake? Well a small piece will be free but a larger piece is $4. And if you want it with two strawberries then that's $6.
Oh - you don't do that with food and only with booze?? Why is it OK to charge your guests for alcohol as if it's some kind of extra but not for the rest of the items offered? The last time I checked, people don't leave the average reception hungry.
I don't see alcohol as a requirement. I see it as something that is overstated as a requirement for a good time. So yes, I do think that people should be responsible for their own consumption, especially if they are going to overindulge as most do at parties.I don't feel like I should be required to fund someone's stupidity because society has dictated that the only way to have fun at a social gathering is to get drunk.
I would much prefer to have people be responsible for their own beverages at a wedding just like they are responsible for their own beverages at all other social gatherings in familar circles.
But don't fret, we're having an open bar even though I think it's stupid. It's a part of the package we got so whatever. I just have strict instructions in place to prevent over consumption.
You have some serious issues with alcohol that I think you need to get over and deal with.
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
Oh I don't think that my sweeping generalizations are that off base. Maybe unfair to a select few but overall I've got it pegged right. Your shining example of telling me to take the stick out of my ass is a prime example. But thanks. I'll not take it under advisement. As I said elsewhere, I don't think you have my best interests at heart.
You have real issues with alcohol. You should see a therapist.
You are coming off as pretty fanatical about this. I was just thinking the same thing as Ashley just posted, and this is coming from the child of an alcoholic. You have to learn to deal with the fact that people can and will drink, some to excess.
Alcohol consumption's been part of the of celebration of life in almost every culture since ancient times. You're not going magically change the culture by saying you believe it shouldn't be that way.
Never said I expected everyone to change, That does not stop me from having the opinion that society is overly obsessed with alcohol. Can people drink responsibly? Yes. Do most people? The jury's out on that one. I can understand drinking in moderation to enjoy the drink. I will never understand drinking to get drunk or having to be drunk to have a good time. I know I won't change it, and it would be nice if people stopped trying to change me about this.
This is where I think your world view on adults drinking must be skewed. I get the sense that you must have a number of substance abusers among people you know, because that vast majority of people outgrow the "drink to get drunk" mentality shortly after their mid-20's and settle into enjoying the alcoholic beverage of their choice in moderation. For you to believe that it's a possibility that, generally, most people drink to get drunk says something about those who surround you and how you've been affected by alcohol abuse.
I was going to point out the same thing. I host dinner parties fairly regularly, and we always pop open a few bottles of wine and/or break open some six-packs. Over the course of 3-4 hours, most of my friends will have 2-4 alcoholic drinks. Some will drink more, some will drink less. I don't view any of them as being irresponsible drinkers.
We've thought about several ways to limit consumption, not because of the money but because of potential problem drinkers of which there are a couple on each side of the family. A couple options we came up with were.
Just beer / wine. No liquor of any type.
Drink tickets. We were thinking seven per guest because it's a seven hour reception.
Having just a few signature mixed drinks but the majority beer / wine.
Some general rules for the bartender like no shots, keep the drinks standard (not too strong), no doubles, mixed drinks only (no straight ups).
Some combination of the above ideas.
We haven't truly decided on anything yet, but those are the options we're considering right now. All have their pros and cons of course so they merit more discussion before we decide for certain.
Why on earth is your reception 7 hours?!! What are you doing for that long?? If people are drinking, they will probably get tired and leave or get super wasted. Even if they aren't drinking, I can't imagine hanging around for 7 hours. I'd get bored.
Lol, I always have to laugh at these comments- no offense meant 'peep.
Out of 30+ weddings I have been to, across the country, no reception has ever been less than 5 hours. Most are 6-7 hours long. By the time you have cocktail hour, dinner, spotlight shit, and then 1.5-2 hours at least of dancing. . .
Mine was 6 hours.
Ha no offense taken. I was just super surprised that a reception could last that long. Between the ceremony, cocktail hour and reception, ours will be 4.5 hours. I thought that was kind of standard since most weddings I have been to were like that. Plus most of the venues I spoke too don't really let you go more than 5 hours.
I can't imagine being a reception that long, but if people can, more power to them!
Our reception was, uhhhhhh...approximately 10 hours, because that's how long people stayed.
Wow! Our venue will kick people out so those still going will have to relocate.
Seriously. Look up your local al-anon chapter. You've got hang ups about alcohol that scream "adult child of an alcoholic".
Most people can control their drinking. I do drink to get drunk sometimes. Sometimes I don't, but sometimes I do. I make the decision to get drunk before I start drinking, I make sure I have a ride if I'm out, I drink water, and I get home safely.
I'm not an alcoholic, I don't always drink to get drunk, and if I am drinking to get drunk I make sure I'm in the appropriate venue for such shenanigans. Mom's work Christmas party? Nope. Drag show at the gay bar? Bring on the vodka please!
This is called being an adult. This is how most adults who are not alcoholics behave. The fact that you equate all drinking with alcoholic behavior tells me mom/dad was an alcoholic or perhaps still is and you haven't dealt with your shit and instead are blaming everyone around you. Handle. Your. Shit.
...am I the only one who is thinking about that thread from a while back where the OP said she'd cry if any alcoholic beverage was brought into the house she'd rented for the whole weekend or something?
@notdoingitbythebook, I'm going to go ahead and third (fourth? fifth? billionth?) the opinion that you seem to have some serious issues with alcohol consumption. I don't know what to tell you, but I do think perhaps you should have promoted the consumption issue to "Hill I Will Die On" status and demoted one of the other things.
Seriously. Look up your local al-anon chapter. You've got hang ups about alcohol that scream "adult child of an alcoholic".
Most people can control their drinking. I do drink to get drunk sometimes. Sometimes I don't, but sometimes I do. I make the decision to get drunk before I start drinking, I make sure I have a ride if I'm out, I drink water, and I get home safely.
I'm not an alcoholic, I don't always drink to get drunk, and if I am drinking to get drunk I make sure I'm in the appropriate venue for such shenanigans. Mom's work Christmas party? Nope. Drag show at the gay bar? Bring on the vodka please!
This is called being an adult. This is how most adults who are not alcoholics behave. The fact that you equate all drinking with alcoholic behavior tells me mom/dad was an alcoholic or perhaps still is and you haven't dealt with your shit and instead are blaming everyone around you. Handle. Your. Shit.
Shit's handled, TYVM. Just not in the way you think it should be. And I resent the disparaging remarks against my parents. They are not a part of this conversation.
Seriously. Look up your local al-anon chapter. You've got hang ups about alcohol that scream "adult child of an alcoholic".
Most people can control their drinking. I do drink to get drunk sometimes. Sometimes I don't, but sometimes I do. I make the decision to get drunk before I start drinking, I make sure I have a ride if I'm out, I drink water, and I get home safely.
I'm not an alcoholic, I don't always drink to get drunk, and if I am drinking to get drunk I make sure I'm in the appropriate venue for such shenanigans. Mom's work Christmas party? Nope. Drag show at the gay bar? Bring on the vodka please!
This is called being an adult. This is how most adults who are not alcoholics behave. The fact that you equate all drinking with alcoholic behavior tells me mom/dad was an alcoholic or perhaps still is and you haven't dealt with your shit and instead are blaming everyone around you. Handle. Your. Shit.
Shit's handled, TYVM. Just not in the way you think it should be.
Look, I mean this in absolutely the most caring, loving way an internet stranger can:
Re: Bar related question
And you project your own issues on to other people by making condescending judgements and unfair sweeping generalizations.
When people suggest therapy on these boards lately, it goes over like a lead balloon so my suggestion is to have the stick removed from your ass- it's an out patient procedure- and then have a fucking drink. Or a Xanax.
So in your area the bars are never full of drunks?
I had a limited bar at my wedding- beer, wine, and a signature champagne cocktail. People drank all night, in fact we drank the venue out of our contracted beverage choices so they had to add alternatives. We drank not because we had to in order to have a good time, but because we enjoy drinking- crazy concept, I know. Unless you're drinking the cheap shit, beer, wine, and cocktails actually taste great!
People got tipsy, some even got drunk, and guess what? No one needed to be cut off, was cut off, and there were no druken brawls or other acts of "stupidity."
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
Couple things:
--if you don't like someone, or think they are a moron, or think they can't control themselves while drinking and that CLEARLY bothers you, then why are you friends with them?
--if you think alcohol is so detestable, then why didn't you express your strong opinions on it to your FI? I would like to think that the person I'm marrying would be willing to compromise with me on an issue that truly bothers me, such as this for you. If not, then that's not really a good sign.
--alcohol is not a requirement at a wedding. Period.
Who says I'm not? It's not exactly a topic one discusses in polite conversation. Granted this is not exactly a polite conversation. However, I'll use the statement that comes in handy whenever someone makes a rude comment, "why do you want to know?"
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
Alcohol consumption's been part of the of celebration of life in almost every culture since ancient times. You're not going magically change the culture by saying you believe it shouldn't be that way.
Out of 30+ weddings I have been to, across the country, no reception has ever been less than 5 hours. Most are 6-7 hours long. By the time you have cocktail hour, dinner, spotlight shit, and then 1.5-2 hours at least of dancing. . .
Mine was 6 hours.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
http://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978
Antivaxxer's share the opinion that vaccines are bad and cause autism. Yeah, that opinion is wrong 6 fucking ways to Sunday.
Opinions can absolutley be wrong.
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
I'm such a fucking boss I can be the baddest bitch IRL AND on these forums too. Multitasking FTW!
"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."
Shit's handled, TYVM. Just not in the way you think it should be. And I resent the disparaging remarks against my parents. They are not a part of this conversation.