FFF!

loves2shop4shoes

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Honestly, I think some people hold back.  I know I do.  Sometimes, even now, there are things I'd like to say but I don't because I'm afraid I'm going to hurt someone's feelings or it bothered me on Monday but hasn't happened again since so it seems sort of pointless so I keep it to myself. 
Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]

Nope!  Now you have to say it.  That's what FFF is all about.

elannis

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[QUOTE]Re: Ely and the workout threads. Honestly, I've been feeling like the frequency has been a lot, and more so to me, I've just felt almost a little concerned that it seems like <strong>Ely works out A LOT. I know part of that is my serious feelings of inadequacy at my lack of ability to work out like that, but even beneath that, when she's talking about multiple workout sessions a day, I just so, so hope for her each time I open a thread that she feels like she's done enough, because she's gorgeous and healthy and has come SO FAR.</strong> Does that make sense? I hope so. So I think I have started to become put off by those threads because they make me sad on a few levels, even though Ely is a huge inspiration to me and I'm so proud of her for what she has accomplished health-wise already.  Sousa brought up a good point that I had not remembered: Ely asked about the frequency that she posts. And also, I need to remember that Ely is a smart girl and knows what is good for her body so she knows how much working out for her is right. And I have the choice whether or not to go into those threads. So this didn't really turn out to be a flame or a flame-of-a-flame. I just had to process my own feelings about it. Uh, so that's all. Ha. 
Posted by LivLeighton[/QUOTE]

I wasn't going to say anything since everyone kinda said things for me. I didn't know there were people who didn't like the workout threads since I had asked and only gotten positive feedback, but I will make sure I keep it to one thread a day and people can skip over it if they don't want to read it.

For all of those of you that like the thread, I'm happy to keep doing them because it really does help me to hear what everyone else is doing and how well they're doing and it seems like there are others benefiting from sharing too.

Liv, I do realize that I tend to go overboard with the workouts when I focus on them. I should explain that when I say I do a P90x workout, I'm not doing what Lyn does. I do about half of the workout usually because I only have 30 minutes for my lunch. Like Legs&Back, I skip the whole arm sections, which adds up to a good amount. So each day I'm getting in probably 25 minutes of strength training and then 30 minutes on the elliptical and 30 on the treadmill, but I also walk a lot on the treadmill, rather than run the whole time.

These are probably excuses, lol, but I do make sure to eat enough and drink enough water and stop if I am too fatigued. I appreciate your concern though! : ) I really do. I can be very hard on myself, but I feel wonderful after workouts and I'm not exactly happy with where I am, but I have seen what it is to never be happy with what you've done and I'm nowhere near that either.

Ok, now I'm behind because I am working and trying to write all of this, but also thank you to Sousa, Lyn, and Bri for the kind words.

IrishDreamer

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Were you always?
Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]

Meh. I've never been a "OMG IVE BEEN PLANNING MY WEDDING SINCE I WAS 10" kind of person. ExH and I got married at the JOP. What I did really hurt some people very close to me. Without an eternal guilt trip from hell that would tear my family apart - I can't elope, DW, or anything like that. I have to include my family. When you are obligated or feeling obligated to something - you truly don't give a flying fvck... not that I really did before.

I don't know. I've never really been a big wedding chick. I want to marry BF and live out my life with him. There's too much family/friends/political BS that I see as unneccesary. Those closest to me know that isn't me. Standing in front of people in a froufy dress and bunches of people...blech.

I understand I could get flamed for saying I'm "obligated" to do this - but when you make the person who has loved you more than anyone...ever...and would die for you cry - I can't handle that. Pop says he wants to give me away and be a part of a wedding - I will do whatever is necessary.

Swazzle

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Nope!  Now you have to say it.  That's what FFF is all about.
Posted by loves2shop4shoes[/QUOTE]

<div>It was more of a "we get it" and it was directed at Bella regarding her job/money situation.  </div><div>
</div><div>Bella, I feel awful that you're having a hard time right now. I really, really do & I desperately hope things turn around for you as soon as possible.  You bring it up, though, in like 95% of your posts I feel like & sometimes it gets to be a bit much.</div>

SKP82

I flame the "Thintopia" term.  I don't mind that the board supports each other with diet and exercise and is motivational, but that term ticks me off.  It implies that you have to be thin to be happy. 

Swazzle

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[QUOTE]I flame the "Thintopia" term.  I don't mind that the board supports each other with diet and exercise and is motivational, but that term ticks me off.  It implies that you have to be thin to be happy. 
Posted by SKP82[/QUOTE]

<div>Nobody here made that up, by the way.  It's the name of the website we use to record our weights each week. </div>

bethsmiles

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[QUOTE]I flame the "Thintopia" term.  I don't mind that the board supports each other with diet and exercise and is motivational, but that term ticks me off.  It implies that you have to be thin to be happy. 
Posted by SKP82[/QUOTE]

We didn't come up with that word. It's the name of the website the NEY weight loss challenge is on.

elannis

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Thanks so much for taking the time to explain all that. Before knowing that it really did sound like a lot, and I just worry, you know? It makes sense if you have the flexibility of an at-home schedule and access to that equipment during the day to spread out the segments of your workout...it's not like you're working out for 6 hours a day. I guess when I was thinking of each of those segments I was thinking about like what Lyn or Tiger does and then multiplying that by several times a day.  I'm really glad you feel wonderful after workouts. Try not to be so hard on yourself! (Says someone who is hard on herself.) You are seriously beautiful, not to mention healthy. 
Posted by LivLeighton[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's really not as much as it seems, although it is still definitely plenty, but I just summarize and say I did Legs&Back rather than explaining what I skipped or didn't. So that's my fault. I am trying not to be so hard on myself and have tried implementing self esteem boosters too. It's a work in progress, but getting better. And thank you; I think you're beautiful too and should give yourself more credit, as well!

doubleSS07

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[QUOTE]I love Tiger's enthusiasm. But I also just love Tiger in general, so there's that.  I also hope that everyone is fully prepared that when I get engaged, I am going to be ENTHUSIASTIC OUT THE WAZOO. 
Posted by LivLeighton[/QUOTE]

Definitely agreed.  I kinda love that she is so excited to be getting married.  I'm sure she's excited about the wedding but I get the impressions she's excited about getting married more.  Plus I am a bit of a cynic myself if I let it get the better of me so I like other people's enthusiam...it's catchy!

cu97tiger

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[QUOTE]I flame the "Thintopia" term.  I don't mind that the board supports each other with diet and exercise and is motivational, but that term ticks me off.  It implies that you have to be thin to be happy. 
Posted by SKP82[/QUOTE]

<div>I totally thought 'thintopia' was a system... like Weight Watchers or P90X (I wasn't sure if it was a food system or a workout program, since I've never actually read any of the threads).</div>

SKP82

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Do you know it's the name of the site used to track our progress, and you're flaming that? Or do you think we made it up? 
Posted by LivLeighton[/QUOTE]

Oooooh.  Sorry.  I retract my flame and flame myself for not knowing that.  I definitely thought someone here made it up.

ETA:  FFF Fail.  Ha.

Swazzle

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : That's the name of the website we used for the NEY Weightloss Challenge.  It lets you create groups and just shows percentage body weight lost, so you don't have to post your actual weight if you're uncomfortable having other people see it. ETA -<strong> two people beat me to it.</strong>
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]

WINNER!

elannis

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Definitely agreed.  I kinda love that she is so excited to be getting married.  I'm sure she's excited about the wedding but I get the impressions she's excited about getting married more.  Plus I am a bit of a cynic myself if I let it get the better of me so I like other people's enthusiam...it's catchy!
Posted by doubleSS07[/QUOTE]

And I believe that she and her FI are going to TTC after the wedding and she has mentioned baby fever, so I'm sure that adds to the excitement. None of her excitement has ever bothered me though.

bethsmiles

I'm going to insert a random U/O here:

I think TOMS shoes are ugly. I really love the premise behind them and think it's great that they help needy kids. But I'd rather buy two pairs of shoes and donate one pair than wear TOMS.

Swazzle

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[QUOTE]I'm going to insert a random U/O here: I think TOMS shoes are ugly. I really love the premise behind them and think it's great that they help needy kids. But I'd rather buy two pairs of shoes and donate one pair than wear TOMS.
Posted by bethsmiles[/QUOTE]

<div>I looooooooove my TOMS, I think they're adorable & they're SO incredibly comfortable.  I know a lot of people think they're ugly though so that's probably not a U/O. </div><div>
</div><div>I also love my Uggs & a lot of people think they're ugly too.</div>

jorja86

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:979ac904-66e8-457e-995b-3b6a3e2a1015">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]I'm going to insert a random U/O here: I think TOMS shoes are ugly. I really love the premise behind them and think it's great that they help needy kids. But I'd rather buy two pairs of shoes and donate one pair than wear TOMS.
Posted by bethsmiles[/QUOTE]

Oh God, yes.
 
I did like the flats that Rdr posted a link to, though.

cu97tiger

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:979ac904-66e8-457e-995b-3b6a3e2a1015">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]I'm going to insert a random U/O here: I think TOMS shoes are ugly. I really love the premise behind them and think it's great that they help needy kids. But I'd rather buy two pairs of shoes and donate one pair than wear TOMS.
Posted by bethsmiles[/QUOTE]

<div>Ha, I don't love them either. I've always WANTED to, but can't seem to. Plus, I just get a general feeling that their 'buy a pair give a pair' initiative is totally driven by marketing. They could probably make more positive changes by taking their profits and doing something else with them.</div>

bethsmiles

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : I looooooooove my TOMS, I think they're adorable & they're SO incredibly comfortable.  I know a lot of people think they're ugly though so that's probably not a U/O.  <strong>I also love my Uggs & a lot of people think they're ugly too.</strong>
Posted by rdr716[/QUOTE]

I don't like Uggs either. It doesn't bother me if other people wear them, I just wouldn't.

jaycee7389

I don't really read Ely's posts anymore, but I don't think she should stop because she deserves to write about how much success she has had and I'm sure it helps to keep her motivated.

I really still don't want to hear about every single date by Molly, I'm sorry. I do want to hear about the significant ones...but if you're going on 2 dates a week that's too much for me.

I also flame Irish for being a cynic when it comes to weddings. This is a wedding board, people are getting married, and they have every right to be excited. I do get it if you think they are posting way too much about it or if they are doing it the day after they're engaged..but I don't think Tiger fits into that category.

I don't get the flame about cliques..I think there are definitely people who are closer on the board (Lunar and Liv) but I do not see a clique mentality.

Swazzle

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:f94e4390-390e-4778-85cf-fcb9ea31963d">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : I don't like Uggs either. It doesn't bother me if other people wear them, I just wouldn't.
Posted by bethsmiles[/QUOTE]

<div>Have you ever tried TOMS or Uggs on yourself?</div>

SKP82

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:979ac904-66e8-457e-995b-3b6a3e2a1015">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]I'm going to insert a random U/O here: I think TOMS shoes are ugly. I really love the premise behind them and think it's great that they help needy kids. But I'd rather buy two pairs of shoes and donate one pair than wear TOMS.
Posted by bethsmiles[/QUOTE]

I used to not really be a fan.... until I tried them on.  They are soooo comfortable! 

Swazzle

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:8eed9155-da4e-4b65-b029-c2e3b710794a">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Stop trying to convert people to the dark side.  YOU WON'T WIN!
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]

<div>OH yes I will. </div><div>
</div><div>I win at life bitch.</div>

csousa1

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:8eed9155-da4e-4b65-b029-c2e3b710794a">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Stop trying to convert people to the dark side.  YOU WON'T WIN!
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Seriously, Uggs are the most comfortable thing IN THE WORLD. It's like walking on a lamb's ass.

Ollie08

I don't think Irish is a cynic (even though she called herself one), but I totally get what she means. There are those posters that are all OMGWEDDINGWEDDINGWEDDING a la CCO, tiger (IMO) etc, and then there are others like Lyn, Elle, yaga, etc that don't really post anything WR. Hell up until like a week or so ago I had no idea when Elle was getting married.

I think it's about a balance between weddings and everything else your life should be around.

bethsmiles

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:2514c324-610e-4f6c-96fc-3e9ab4bdbada">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]I don't really read Ely's posts anymore, but I don't think she should stop because she deserves to write about how much success she has had and I'm sure it helps to keep her motivated. I really still don't want to hear about every single date by Molly, I'm sorry. I do want to hear about the significant ones...but if you're going on 2 dates a week that's too much for me. I also flame Irish for being a cynic when it comes to weddings. This is a wedding board, people are getting married, and they have every right to be excited. I do get it if you think they are posting way too much about it or if they are doing it the day after they're engaged..but I don't think Tiger fits into that category. <strong>I don't get the flame about cliques..I think there are definitely people who are closer on the board (Lunar and Liv) but I do not see a clique mentality.</strong>
Posted by jaycee7389[/QUOTE]

I explained that further into the thread. I don't think there are several cliques within the board. I think the board has a very clique mentality that is very unwelcoming to new posters.

IrishDreamer

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:2514c324-610e-4f6c-96fc-3e9ab4bdbada">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]I don't really read Ely's posts anymore, but I don't think she should stop because she deserves to write about how much success she has had and I'm sure it helps to keep her motivated. I really still don't want to hear about every single date by Molly, I'm sorry. I do want to hear about the significant ones...but if you're going on 2 dates a week that's too much for me. <strong>I also flame Irish for being a cynic when it comes to weddings. This is a wedding board, people are getting married, and they have every right to be excited. I do get it if you think they are posting way too much about it or if they are doing it the day after they're engaged..but I don't think Tiger fits into that category</strong>. I don't get the flame about cliques..I think there are definitely people who are closer on the board (Lunar and Liv) but I do not see a clique mentality.
Posted by jaycee7389[/QUOTE]


I don't mind being flamed for what I said about TIger.

Being flamed for being cynical?? That's a little much, I think. You and Yaga said "It's a wedding board, deal" - How many times do the "regs" on here tell new posters that this is more than just a wedding board forum?? Just saying

bethsmiles

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:2a35ab3a-9056-4674-b39b-e2b7b6827a22">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : I used to not really be a fan.... until I tried them on.  They are soooo comfortable! 
Posted by SKP82[/QUOTE]

I'm very much a style over comfort kind of girl. I don't care how comfortable they are if they are ugly they aren't going on my feet.

IrishDreamer

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_not-engaged-yet_fff?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:136Discussion:9bb6a68f-3529-474a-8f1d-532d87e511f9Post:acfc03a5-be72-4c3a-9271-7c2b584712c2">Re: FFF!</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF! : Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Seriously, Uggs are the most comfortable thing IN THE WORLD. <strong>It's like walking on a lamb's ass.
</strong>Posted by csousa1[/QUOTE]

The mental imagery of this has me cracking the eff up.

peekaboo2011

To be fair - I love my Toms.  But I don't think they're the cutest shoes I own.  I wear them for lab work.  They cover what they need to cover so I can wander into the real lab, and they're slip on and off so I can jump in a tank if I need to.  They're perfect for lab stuff.  But I won't be wearing them outside of that.  Or a slob day.

Ollie08

polo that's definitely creepy... like really creepy. I'd have e-mailed them back and told them that the PM was of a personal nature and that because of their e-mail alone and the fact that they've basically stalked you is exactly why you choose not to deal with them.