Mosque in NYC

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]who were acting without govt backing that we know of.....
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]


Well, if you want to go that way, then according to the paranoid websites I've been reading, y'all were attacked by your own government as an excuse to go to war in Iraq.

SOooooooooooo the Muslims are fine.

Actually, they would be anyway since in the US y'all separate religion from your government, yes?

zippityb

Did he lick the wine so no one else would get any? Because that is brilliant.

JSweetieXO

I also think 9/11 attacks were an act of war. Being only 20 min from it all, it still leaves an impression on me. That day was horrible. Finding out a fireman I knew died there was horrible. I knew many customers from where I worked who died or their family members died or they were there when it happened. I don't think the mosque should be built there. But that is just me. Yes it would show our strength that we can get past what SOME people did and not their entire religion but I still feel that way.

MarriedInAFever

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[QUOTE]I hate when new yorkers act like they own the sole rights to 9/11. yeah, it happened there. I get it. but it doesn't change anything. and if 9/11 only affected new yorkers, I'd like my texas soldiers back please.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

And eight years of my FI's life while you're at it.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]not necessarily.  lots of acts in history resulted in the start of wars or in countries joining wars already in progress...  assassination of archduke ferndinand, sinking of lusitania... and the bombing of pearl harbor
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

All of which led to multiple sovereign nations declaring war against each other.

laladypoet

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : I believe we've gotten past that.  Also, how is that related to the Inquisition?  Same thing different name?  Yeah.  Christians have done their share of really really bad stuff. Really. What was Hitler's religion?  (Shiver)
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]
I don't get what you're saying.
my point was that christianity, like other religions, has killed in the name of god. nothing more.

kellyjellybelly

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[QUOTE]Did he lick the wine so no one else would get any? Because that is brilliant.
Posted by zippityb[/QUOTE]
No, he just has no social skills.  

aplatanada

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[QUOTE]" It's the same as building a Japanese something or another at Pearl Harbor.  " This cracks me up, because Oahu's population is about half Japanese-tourists. Seriously, it's a short plane ride for them so there are a ton of Japanese restaurants, clothings stores, etc. And yes, I did see some tourists who were Japanese at Pearl Harbor. The horror!
Posted by cfaszews25[/QUOTE]

A while back I went to Japan for vacation. We had Hiroshima on our schedule. As an American,  I was sweating bullets, ready to be given dirty looks and be blamed for the nuclear bomb.

You know what? It ended up being one of the most memorable moments of my life.  The Japanese people couldn't stop coming up to us, welcoming us, asking us about our history, sharing their stories about the day the bomb dropped. At every momument in that town you see tributes from AMERICANS and other countries involved in the Allied effort, sharing in the tragedy of that event. It is a city dedicated to peace and love.

It's so embarrassing to compare their approach to what's happening with this center
==
Oh, and a lot of the doubts about the YMCA-esque center (which =/= mosque) can be answered at... brace yourselves... their website!!! <a href="http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions" rel="nofollow">http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions</a>
(Imagine that, this research thing might just catch on.)

jasmineh7777

Moose- We're supposed to seperate religion and state, but it doesn't so much happen.  We haven't really achieved equal rights for everyone yet, just look at California right now.

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : I don't get what you're saying. my point was that christianity, like other religions, has killed in the name of god. nothing more.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]


Yeah.  I think I got around to that in my own rambling way.  I think.  I started out going a different direction, then did a U-turn and I'm not sure where I ended up, but that right there that you said was my ultimate destination.

I need a brain GPS today.

mandysmear

wow.  just wow.

this is why i do not discuss religion.  or politics. 

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : All of which led to multiple sovereign nations declaring war against each other.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]


And weren't they done by military forces?

cengle

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : Oh, and a lot of the doubts about the YMCA-esque center (which =/= mosque) can be answered at... brace yourselves... their website!!! <a href="http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions" rel="nofollow">http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions</a> (Imagine that, this research thing might just catch on.)
Posted by aplatanada[/QUOTE]

I think I might love you.

mandysmear

what in god's name is in XOsweetie's sig?

LD1970

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[QUOTE]i never said taliban represented a country... but they get their funding and resources from someone, some thing or some country(ies).
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they got a lot from US back when we were using them as an asset.

AmoroAgain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : A while back I went to Japan for vacation. We had Hiroshima on our schedule. As an American,  I was sweating bullets, ready to be given dirty looks and be blamed for the nuclear bomb. You know what? It ended up being one of the most memorable moments of my life.  The Japanese people couldn't stop coming up to us, welcoming us, asking us about our history, sharing their stories about the day the bomb dropped. At every momument in that town you see tributes from AMERICANS and other countries involved in the Allied effort, sharing in the tragedy of that event. It is a city dedicated to peace and love. It's so embarrassing to compare their approach to what's happening with this center == Oh, and a lot of the doubts about the YMCA-esque center (which =/= mosque) can be answered at... brace yourselves... their website!!! <a href="http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions" rel="nofollow">http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/frequently-asked-questions</a> (Imagine that, this research thing might just catch on.)
Posted by aplatanada[/QUOTE]

I love you and your awesome logic and story. 

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : And weren't they done by military forces?
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]

Well, Franz Ferdinand was an extremist, but the Luisitania was sunk by... wait for it... a German war ship!

Edit: Gavrilo Princip was involved in the Bosnian independence movement. Clearly a radical branch. (And on a side note, I've been in the cell he was imprisoned in. It's outside of Prague. It's actually at a military prison that was turned into a concentration camp. How's that for history!)

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]I also think 9/11 attacks were an act of war. Being only 20 min from it all, it still leaves an impression on me. That day was horrible. Finding out a fireman I knew died there was horrible. I knew many customers from where I worked who died or their family members died or they were there when it happened. I don't think the mosque should be built there. But that is just me. Yes it would show our strength that we can get past what SOME people did and not their entire religion but I still feel that way.
Posted by JSweetieXO[/QUOTE]


What about the muslims who died in the attacks?

What about freedom?  Because honestly, killing freedom and freedom of religion is a much bigger casualty of this entire thing.  Funny thing, that's what those extremists wanted.

JSweetieXO

MY FI was already in the army when it happened and was there till only about a year ago. He also doesn't think it should be built.

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : Well, Franz Ferdinand was an extremist, but the Luisitania was sunk by... wait for it... a German war ship!
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]


Ok, well, I don't know who franz ferdinand is, but I'm pretty sure that Pearl harbor and the Luisitania were military efforts. :)

LD1970

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[QUOTE]MY FI was already in the army when it happened and was there till only about a year ago. He also doesn't think it should be built.
Posted by JSweetieXO[/QUOTE]
Oh good, you're perfect for each other.

AmoroAgain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : Yeah, they got a lot from US back when we were using them as an asset.
Posted by LD1970[/QUOTE]

Word.  Let's not forget who trained Osama and taught him to find the weaknesses?  If we were really going to start pointing fingers of blame at a country, it should be towards Saudi Arabia.  But they have oil and are economically important so we can't cut off our own nose! *eyeroll* 

mkrupar

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[QUOTE]I also think 9/11 attacks were an act of war. Being only 20 min from it all, it still leaves an impression on me. That day was horrible. Finding out a fireman I knew died there was horrible. I knew many customers from where I worked who died or their family members died or they were there when it happened. I don't think the mosque should be built there. But that is just me. Yes it would show our strength that we can get past what SOME people did and not their entire religion but I still feel that way.
Posted by JSweetieXO[/QUOTE]

So you admit that this was an attack by a small group of people, not sanctioned by their government, nor the other 99% of their religion, yet you think it was an actt of war and we should punish the majority of them by not allowing them to worship in a building they already own?

Again, it's not fair for every NYer to claim 9/11 as their own. A girl in my high school (in OH) had an uncle at the WTC that day who died. It wasn't all NYers that were hurt or killed. Let's not forget about those people that took down the plane in Pennsylvania to prevent it from flying into another US landmark, or about those that were killed at the Pentagon. 9/11 wasn't only about NY it was about AMERICA!

mandysmear

welll if he was in the military, then his opinion MUST be the right one.  and cause you are from NYC, well you're right.  my opinion has completely changed now.  i am seeing some major stupidity in this thread...

::eye roll::

Anysunrise

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : Ok, well, I don't know who franz ferdinand is, but I'm pretty sure that Pearl harbor and the Luisitania were military efforts. :)
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]

The Arch Duke of Austria that was assassinated, widely regarded as the start of World War 1.

ETA: Wiki-link here

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand</a>

if you're interested.

MarriedInAFever

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[QUOTE]MY FI was already in the army when it happened and was there till only about a year ago. He also doesn't think it should be built.
Posted by JSweetieXO[/QUOTE]

So was mine. And he absolutely supports Cordoba House. So I guess we cancel each other out.

jasmineh7777

For those of you who do not want it built- I don't see how you can say you don't want it built without acting as if the entire Muslim faith community it to blame. If you don't blame the Muslim faith, then why don't you want it built?

The building itself in no way condones what was done.

mandysmear

yeah I always thought the U in USA meant UNITED.  Can someone remind me what that word means?  It has been awhile since i learned the definition.

AmoroAgain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : Ok, well, I don't know who franz ferdinand is, but I'm pretty sure that Pearl harbor and the Luisitania were military efforts. :)
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]

Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, was killed by an extremist (there's that pesky damn word again) from.... Serbia so they could be free.

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mosque in NYC : The Arch Duke of Austria that was assassinated, widely regarded as the start of World War 1.
Posted by Anysunrise[/QUOTE]


Ahh, I'm a little shaky on my WWI history.  Or any war history for that matter.  We didn't take history in school *gasp*