Not trying, but not being as careful...

larrygaga

hellosweetie1015 said:

Legitimate question: Does vodka make Mtn Dew taste any better? ...because I hate that shit.

I think sprite is better with vodka and I hate sprite.

DO YOU HAVE FAYGO WHERE YOU LIVE

Faygo is the best mixer. Any flavor. Any liquor. Any time.

larrygaga

ashley8918 said:

larrygaga said:

I would just like to, again, stand up for the non-judgement pro-human rights Christians like myself, who believe in free choice and free love. Not everyone who believes in God also thinks in a backwards way. I need to make that known.

I think a true christian accepts people for who they are. Ashley made the right choice for her at the time. Better to terminate a pregnancy than keep a child in an unstable home or put them through our very, very shitty foster system. Adoption does not always work out the way you think it does. 

If you really believe in the bible, than Jesus was friends with prostitutes and thieves and all sorts of sinners.God created and loved all of us. Stop the name calling, it makes only you look bad and all Christians look bad, banana. I wasn't even going to contribute to this thread, but I am pretty embarrassed and feel I need to stand up for the progressive version of Christianity. You and your beliefs are why I no longer go to church AND why I don't take faith in the bible. The church I was raised in taught me right until the good preacher died and we got this new gay-bashing women-bashing idiot preacher in.

Love each other, it's what your God really wants.

Wanna know how come Ashley and I are friends? Because we accept each other. 

LarryGaga. Doin' shit right. (I almost said "doin' God right", but that was not appropriate.)

Dude when I go to heaven and if God propositions me, I would. 

(everyone on earth gets to heaven because I don't believe in hell, why would god do that to his "children")

banana468

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

larrygaga

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

They usually go hand in hand.

You get called a bad person because you are rude as fuck. If you had called Ashley stupid or fat or slutty the reaction would have been the same. Whether it's based in your belief or not, it's offensive to her and many of us. Do you really think she has no emotions about it? Just because she didn't divulge her emotions personally to you doesn't mean she is cold  and flippant about her abortion. You can't tell her tone by just her writing. And even if you could, it is none of your god-damn business. That is her body and what she says goes. 

You are getting called a bad Christian by me because you are preaching but you don't practice what you preach. You are being hateful, and I am pretty sure that's the last thing God wants you to do. Let him judge, and you stay out of it.

Go ahead and try to convince people not to have abortions. Do it in a way that isn't fucking offensive and rude as hell, and maybe people will listen to you.

hellohkb

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

We're not saying you're a bad person. It's just really rude to say those things to someone who has had an abortion. It doesn't make the situation better because what's done is done. So what purpose do those sort of comments make? It's best to keep your opinion to yourself in front of some people. There are a lot of things I don't agree with but I keep quiet.

ashley8918

hellohkb said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

We're not saying you're a bad person. It's just really rude to say those things to someone who has had an abortion. It doesn't make the situation better because what's done is done. So what purpose do those sort of comments make? It's best to keep your opinion to yourself in front of some people. There are a lot of things I don't agree with but I keep quiet.

I mean, not for your beliefs anyway. But for being rude as fuck about your beliefs and the fact that a fuckton of people don't share them? ... Yeah.

beethery

I know when someone is trying to convince me not to eat meat and become a vegetarian, the best way for them to go about it is to call me a murderer.

It's worked super well so far.

ashley8918

beethery said:

I know when someone is trying to convince me not to eat meat and become a vegetarian, the best way for them to go about it is to call me a murderer.

It's worked super well so far.

VulgarGirl

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

Murder is the unlawful ending of a life. And ya see that's a real important distinction. I mean, I use chemicals that kill bugs (alive) and bacteria (also alive) and I love me some meat (living animals). 

Plus if we're going to say that abortion is murder, then a miscarriage could be considered manslaughter. Murder is the intent to unlawfully end a life. Manslaughter is unlawfully ending a life, but without pre-meditation (ie: a car accident). Do we want to start questioning women who have miscarriages about the how and the why it happened?

Words. They matter.

holyguacamole79

MagicInk said:

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

Murder is the unlawful ending of a life. And ya see that's a real important distinction. I mean, I use chemicals that kill bugs (alive) and bacteria (also alive) and I love me some meat (living animals). 

Plus if we're going to say that abortion is murder, then a miscarriage could be considered manslaughter. Murder is the intent to unlawfully end a life. Manslaughter is unlawfully ending a life, but without pre-meditation (ie: a car accident). Do we want to start questioning women who have miscarriages about the how and the why it happened?

Words. They matter.

Whoa.  Hold the phone.  

Here is the legal definition of manslaughter:   (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter)

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

I know plenty of women who have suffered from miscarriage.  I know several women who suffered multiple miscarriages and grieve the loss of their children on a regular basis.  They did NOTHING to kill that child. In fact, 6 weeks ago, I sat with a woman while she was miscarrying.  She cried to my brother about how she couldn't care for their baby in the way that she wanted to.  She did NOTHING; biology merely failed them and my niece / nephew died as a result.  This comparison is quite a stretch, and an unfortunate one.  

Also, regarding murder, here is the definition:

The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.

A HUMAN life - not the life of a bacteria or a cow..

kat1114

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

Your beliefs don't make you a bad person. Hiding behind them so that you can name-call does.

VulgarGirl

holyguacamole79 said:

MagicInk said:

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

Murder is the unlawful ending of a life. And ya see that's a real important distinction. I mean, I use chemicals that kill bugs (alive) and bacteria (also alive) and I love me some meat (living animals). 

Plus if we're going to say that abortion is murder, then a miscarriage could be considered manslaughter. Murder is the intent to unlawfully end a life. Manslaughter is unlawfully ending a life, but without pre-meditation (ie: a car accident). Do we want to start questioning women who have miscarriages about the how and the why it happened?

Words. They matter.

Whoa.  Hold the phone.  

Here is the legal definition of manslaughter:   (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter)

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

I know plenty of women who have suffered from miscarriage.  They did NOTHING to kill that child. In fact, 6 weeks ago, I sat with a woman while she was miscarrying.  She cried to my brother about how she couldn't care for their baby in the way that she wanted to.  She did NOTHING; biology merely failed them and my niece / nephew died as a result.  This comparison is quite a stretch, and an unfortunate one.  

My point was that if we want to go around saying "Abortion is murder" then a miscarriage could (do you see that word, could? really important) be classified as manslaughter. Each miscarriage would have to be looked into to determine what caused it. Was it just biology? Was the mother putting herself in undo stress? Did she drink? Have a known medical problem and still choose to undertake a pregnancy? And then the causation would then lead to if charges could be brought.

Other countries do prosecute for women who have miscarriages. It does happen. And it's shit-tastic. And so is implying someone is a murder for having an abortion (or potentially wanting to have an abortion). Both are shit-tastic.

Murder is a legal definition. It doesn't mean to end a life. It means to unlawfully end a life. If it just mean to end a life, we'd be throwing around the word a hell of a lot more.

beethery

holyguacamole79 said:

MagicInk said:

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

Murder is the unlawful ending of a life. And ya see that's a real important distinction. I mean, I use chemicals that kill bugs (alive) and bacteria (also alive) and I love me some meat (living animals). 

Plus if we're going to say that abortion is murder, then a miscarriage could be considered manslaughter. Murder is the intent to unlawfully end a life. Manslaughter is unlawfully ending a life, but without pre-meditation (ie: a car accident). Do we want to start questioning women who have miscarriages about the how and the why it happened?

Words. They matter.

Whoa.  Hold the phone.  

Here is the legal definition of manslaughter:   (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter)

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

I know plenty of women who have suffered from miscarriage.  I know several women who suffered multiple miscarriages and grieve the loss of their children on a regular basis.  They did NOTHING to kill that child. In fact, 6 weeks ago, I sat with a woman while she was miscarrying.  She cried to my brother about how she couldn't care for their baby in the way that she wanted to.  She did NOTHING; biology merely failed them and my niece / nephew died as a result.  This comparison is quite a stretch, and an unfortunate one.  

Also, regarding murder, here is the definition:

The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.

A HUMAN life - not the life of a bacteria or a cow..

I detest you and I wish you would find somewhere else to go.

VulgarGirl

holyguacamole79 said:

Also, regarding murder, here is the definition:

The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse.

A HUMAN life - not the life of a bacteria or a cow..

UNLAWFUL.

Abortion is not unlawful. Not in the US. And I'm thinking "I don't want to be pregnant and my birth control failed" is justification.

esstee33

MagicInk said:

holyguacamole79 said:

MagicInk said:

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

Murder is the unlawful ending of a life. And ya see that's a real important distinction. I mean, I use chemicals that kill bugs (alive) and bacteria (also alive) and I love me some meat (living animals). 

Plus if we're going to say that abortion is murder, then a miscarriage could be considered manslaughter. Murder is the intent to unlawfully end a life. Manslaughter is unlawfully ending a life, but without pre-meditation (ie: a car accident). Do we want to start questioning women who have miscarriages about the how and the why it happened?

Words. They matter.

Whoa.  Hold the phone.  

Here is the legal definition of manslaughter:   (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter)

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

I know plenty of women who have suffered from miscarriage.  They did NOTHING to kill that child. In fact, 6 weeks ago, I sat with a woman while she was miscarrying.  She cried to my brother about how she couldn't care for their baby in the way that she wanted to.  She did NOTHING; biology merely failed them and my niece / nephew died as a result.  This comparison is quite a stretch, and an unfortunate one.  

My point was that if we want to go around saying "Abortion is murder" then a miscarriage could (do you see that word, could? really important) be classified as manslaughter. Each miscarriage would have to be looked into to determine what caused it. Was it just biology? Was the mother putting herself in undo stress? Did she drink? Have a known medical problem and still choose to undertake a pregnancy? And then the causation would then lead to if charges could be brought.

Other countries do prosecute for women who have miscarriages. It does happen. And it's shit-tastic. And so is implying someone is a murder for having an abortion (or potentially wanting to have an abortion). Both are shit-tastic.

Murder is a legal definition. It doesn't mean to end a life. It means to unlawfully end a life. If it just mean to end a life, we'd be throwing around the word a hell of a lot more.

Haven't there been quite a few lawmakers trying to criminalize miscarriages, actually? 

holyguacamole79

I did not see that you said "could"; for that I apologize.  I still grieve the loss of my niece/nephew, so I am admittedly sensitive to this.

I do hold the belief that life begins when the sperm fertilizes the egg.  Sometimes implantation doesn't occur and nobody is the wiser.  I recognize that by the definition that stipulates that murder is the unlawful taking of a human life, abortion does not fall into that because it is legal in the US.  I personally do hold the belief that abortion is still the taking of an innocent human life.  

As I have many friends who beat themselves up for their miscarriages and wonder if they did something wrong to cause it, I'm not going to go there any more.  I've seen their pain and it's something that I personally refuse to compare to abortion.

VulgarGirl

esstee33 said:

MagicInk said:

holyguacamole79 said:

MagicInk said:

banana468 said:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I'm considered a bad person for believing that abortion is the murder of an innocent child.   I called the action murder because it's what I believe.   I believe that life begins at conception.   I believe that ending that life, even when it's the size of a raspberry, is the murder of innocent life.  

I have not woman-bashed.   I can still be a feminist and against abortion.   Where the gay bashing comments came from I have no clue.

Murder is the unlawful ending of a life. And ya see that's a real important distinction. I mean, I use chemicals that kill bugs (alive) and bacteria (also alive) and I love me some meat (living animals). 

Plus if we're going to say that abortion is murder, then a miscarriage could be considered manslaughter. Murder is the intent to unlawfully end a life. Manslaughter is unlawfully ending a life, but without pre-meditation (ie: a car accident). Do we want to start questioning women who have miscarriages about the how and the why it happened?

Words. They matter.

Whoa.  Hold the phone.  

Here is the legal definition of manslaughter:   (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter)

The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

I know plenty of women who have suffered from miscarriage.  They did NOTHING to kill that child. In fact, 6 weeks ago, I sat with a woman while she was miscarrying.  She cried to my brother about how she couldn't care for their baby in the way that she wanted to.  She did NOTHING; biology merely failed them and my niece / nephew died as a result.  This comparison is quite a stretch, and an unfortunate one.  

My point was that if we want to go around saying "Abortion is murder" then a miscarriage could (do you see that word, could? really important) be classified as manslaughter. Each miscarriage would have to be looked into to determine what caused it. Was it just biology? Was the mother putting herself in undo stress? Did she drink? Have a known medical problem and still choose to undertake a pregnancy? And then the causation would then lead to if charges could be brought.

Other countries do prosecute for women who have miscarriages. It does happen. And it's shit-tastic. And so is implying someone is a murder for having an abortion (or potentially wanting to have an abortion). Both are shit-tastic.

Murder is a legal definition. It doesn't mean to end a life. It means to unlawfully end a life. If it just mean to end a life, we'd be throwing around the word a hell of a lot more.

Haven't there been quite a few lawmakers trying to criminalize miscarriages, actually? 

I remember one in some state I do not want to ever live in was wanting to make it so women had to basically explain each miscarriage. I don't think it passed. And there's been one in Oklahoma I think that would make a woman have to view a sonogram before having an abortion. Which is just fucked up.

These are the some assholes who believe in "legitimate rape".

beethery

http://fusion.net/story/38969/teen-sentenced-to-30-years-in-jail-for-having-a-miscarriage-could-be-pardoned-in-el-salvador/

She was eventually pardoned but not after she spent years in jail for a miscarriage that was beyond her control. That's nice.

lyndausvi

Check out the proposed Amendment 67 in CO.  Thank god it was shot down in November.  The wording was so board it could have made miscarriages subject to criminal investigation.

VulgarGirl

holyguacamole79 said: I've seen their pain and it's something that I personally refuse to compare to abortion.

And I've seen the pain of young woman trying to get into abortion clinics being called whore and slut by "god fearing" people trying to save their babies. Babies that mean more then the woman carrying it.

I've talked people down who want to kill themselves, because people are calling them names (like murder) for having an abortion.

Don't think that anyone chooses to get an abortion because it's easy. Because it sounds like fun. It's a hard fucking choice. Mostly because they have to put with people who want to save the fetus, regardless of what shit they're going through. Fetus first.

holyguacamole79

I had not been aware of the recent legislation you ladies referenced regarding miscarriage.  Thanks for the info.

ohannabelle

Yes, everyone has the right to believe what they want, and everyone has the right to say what they want.

I support those rights.

I also support adult intelligence and good judgment. Just because I have the right to say something doesn't mean it needs to be said.

My youngest has some socialization skill problems. An Autism spectrum disorder thing. I've had to spend a lot of time working with him on what should and should not be said, and what the results of our words can be.

Before he speaks, he stops and consciously asks himself, Is it kind? Is it helpful? Will it hurt anyone? and the bigass finale: Where will this lead? What will this accomplish? 

It's a good policy. Training him to think before he speaks, and consider what the results of his words are. 

So, @banana468- believing whatever you believe is fine. How you chose to express it isn't. Personal belief doesn't absolve people of the responsibility to be respectful and decent to other human beings with other belief systems. 

Was it helpful? 

Was it kind?

Were people hurt?

Where did it lead, and was anything accomplished?

If you publicly condemn and sanctimoniously judge other people as murderers, did you really think there's going to be positive result or reaction in any way? 

Nothing good was accomplished. You threw a controversial shitbomb into the room, and you're surprised that it stinks? 

mikenberger

larrygaga said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Legitimate question: Does vodka make Mtn Dew taste any better? ...because I hate that shit.

I think sprite is better with vodka and I hate sprite.

DO YOU HAVE FAYGO WHERE YOU LIVE

Faygo is the best mixer. Any flavor. Any liquor. Any time.

---boxes----

Around these parts we drink what we call a 'breakfast' which is whiskey and mountain dew. Can't drink all day if you don't start with a good breakfast.

hellosweetie1015

larrygaga said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Legitimate question: Does vodka make Mtn Dew taste any better? ...because I hate that shit.

I think sprite is better with vodka and I hate sprite.

DO YOU HAVE FAYGO WHERE YOU LIVE

Faygo is the best mixer. Any flavor. Any liquor. Any time.

I need to come up with some more fun ways to say box.

I don't know. I only buy milk and angry orchard, and occasionally vodka or tequila. I'll look the next time I'm shopping though

holyguacamole79

MagicInk said:

holyguacamole79 said: I've seen their pain and it's something that I personally refuse to compare to abortion.

And I've seen the pain of young woman trying to get into abortion clinics being called whore and slut by "god fearing" people trying to save their babies. Babies that mean more then the woman carrying it.

I've talked people down who want to kill themselves, because people are calling them names (like murder) for having an abortion.

Don't think that anyone chooses to get an abortion because it's easy. Because it sounds like fun. It's a hard fucking choice. Mostly because they have to put with people who want to save the fetus, regardless of what shit they're going through. Fetus first.

I have friends who stand outside of PP who do that.  Some of them are the assholes you describe, and I apologize for what they do.  I do have other friends who offer free pregnancy tests and resources to women contemplating abortion.  Those are the people I am proud to call my friends...  

I do know many pro-lifers are all about the baby, and fortunately I have seen a resurgence of people wanting to care for both the mother and the child.  I have seen a lot of these logos lately, and I think it's a better message.

And I never said that choosing to abort was easy.  I can only imagine what a gut-wrenching decision it is, and I hope that I'm never in a place where I have to contemplate that.  I also think it is courageous that you help friends who are in a dark place.  As someone who suffers with depression, I rely on people like you to talk me down when I am in panic mode.  So, sI sincerely thank you.

What I was trying to get at is the concept that miscarriage is, generally speaking, not the choice of the mother.  It is something that happens to her and to the baby.  Regardless of a reason, a woman who procures an abortion (for the most part) makes that choice to do so.  I realize there are times where she may be strongly pressured by some parties, but in the end it is a choice that she makes.  That was the distinction.

larrygaga

holyguacamole79 and banana whatever your face is

You are saying women are only worth what they can produce and what they want and need doesn't matter. Only the baby matters. Mother does not matter. 

You guys are women. Are you saying that you are okay with us only caring about your baby and not you? And if that baby is a woman  when she turns 18 well fuck her, the only thing that matters is her uterus. Forget her brain. Forget her heart and her liver and her asshole. FETUS MATTERS MOST AND EVERYONE BUT THE PREGNANT WOMAN GETS TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BABY

ashley8918

holyguacamole79 said:

MagicInk said:

holyguacamole79 said: I've seen their pain and it's something that I personally refuse to compare to abortion.

And I've seen the pain of young woman trying to get into abortion clinics being called whore and slut by "god fearing" people trying to save their babies. Babies that mean more then the woman carrying it.

I've talked people down who want to kill themselves, because people are calling them names (like murder) for having an abortion.

Don't think that anyone chooses to get an abortion because it's easy. Because it sounds like fun. It's a hard fucking choice. Mostly because they have to put with people who want to save the fetus, regardless of what shit they're going through. Fetus first.

I have friends who stand outside of PP who do that.  Some of them are the assholes you describe, and I apologize for what they do.  I do have other friends who offer free pregnancy tests and resources to women contemplating abortion.  Those are the people I am proud to call my friends...  

I do know many pro-lifers are all about the baby, and fortunately I have seen a resurgence of people wanting to care for both the mother and the child.  I have seen a lot of these logos lately, and I think it's a better message.

And I never said that choosing to abort was easy.  I can only imagine what a gut-wrenching decision it is, and I hope that I'm never in a place where I have to contemplate that.  I also think it is courageous that you help friends who are in a dark place.  As someone who suffers with depression, I rely on people like you to talk me down when I am in panic mode.  So, sI sincerely thank you.

What I was trying to get at is the concept that miscarriage is, generally speaking, not the choice of the mother.  It is something that happens to her and to the baby.  Regardless of a reason, a woman who procures an abortion (for the most part) makes that choice to do so.  I realize there are times where she may be strongly pressured by some parties, but in the end it is a choice that she makes.  That was the distinction.

In front of Planned Parenthood, where you can get a free pregnancy test by an actual medical professional? And a shit ton of real, actual resources that are not run by those with a religious agenda? Why would that be necessary?

ETA- I missed the part where you said you are friends with the vile, hateful ass cabbages who harass and attempt to shame women outside of abortion clinics. The fact that you are willing to be friends with these sorts of people tells me all I need to know.

holyguacamole79

larrygaga said:

holyguacamole79 and banana whatever your face is

You are saying women are only worth what they can produce and what they want and need doesn't matter. Only the baby matters. Mother does not matter. 

You guys are women. Are you saying that you are okay with us only caring about your baby and not you? And if that baby is a woman  when she turns 18 well fuck her, the only thing that matters is her uterus. Forget her brain. Forget her heart and her liver and her asshole. FETUS MATTERS MOST AND EVERYONE BUT THE PREGNANT WOMAN GETS TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BABY

@larrygaga, I take it you didn't see my last post.  I volunteer with a program called Project Gabriel, which offers help to a woman who is in the midst of a crisis pregnancy.  My friends who work at a pro-life clinic provides classes to women and childcare if needed.  Those classes involve parenting, resume writing workshops, and prenatal health.  There is a lot more going on than many people realize.  

And yes, as a woman who biologically cannot produce a baby, I MUST believe that a woman is only worth what she can produce.  

beethery

You are friends with some shitty people and it is very telling of your character that you'd tolerate the behavior of such WRETCHED individuals.

ETA: Of all the times you've tried to convince people that you're not a hateful individual and you freely admit that you are FRIENDS with people like that. UGH. Absolutely abhorrent.

larrygaga

holyguacamole79 said:

larrygaga said:

holyguacamole79 and banana whatever your face is

You are saying women are only worth what they can produce and what they want and need doesn't matter. Only the baby matters. Mother does not matter. 

You guys are women. Are you saying that you are okay with us only caring about your baby and not you? And if that baby is a woman  when she turns 18 well fuck her, the only thing that matters is her uterus. Forget her brain. Forget her heart and her liver and her asshole. FETUS MATTERS MOST AND EVERYONE BUT THE PREGNANT WOMAN GETS TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BABY

@larrygaga, I take it you didn't see my last post.  I volunteer with a program called Project Gabriel, which offers help to a woman who is in the midst of a crisis pregnancy.  My friends who work at a pro-life clinic provides classes to women and childcare if needed.  Those classes involve parenting, resume writing workshops, and prenatal health.  There is a lot more going on than many people realize.  

And yes, as a woman who biologically cannot produce a baby, I MUST believe that a woman is only worth what she can produce.  

I don't really give a shit where you volunteer. 

Also, as a woman who biologically cannot produce a baby you believe you have the right to tell someone what to do with their body and their baby. By saying it's not the woman's choice, you are saying the woman doesn't get a choice. Which is anti everything feminists have ever worked for.